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Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 10:38 AM UTC

jjeaff wrote: post #75

zawerf wrote: post #67

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It seems like it was just a handful of users who posted their story multiple times. The users highclass, ethanwillis, kweks all had multiple comments only about namecheap on a thread that wasn't directly about namecheap. Can I get more horror stories to confirm those are real? It's unfortunate because namecheap used to have the exact opposite reputation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3396606

I have used them for years and never had a problem. However, they are slowly creeping their prices upward. .com is now a little over $13.00 and they just this year made domain proxy (hiding your contact info on whois) free. I have been moving my stuff to porkbun.com. They are US based and $8.84 for a .com. Cloudflare is an interesting offering, although as of right now, it's not actually launched and it appears that…

it appears that you are required to be routing all your traffic through cloudflare to be able to use their registrar service.

Why do you say this? You can already use their DNS service without routing your traffic through Cloudflare, so it'd be weird that domain registration required that.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by edent » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 10:40 AM UTC

kijeda wrote: post #68

edent wrote: post #64

Interesting. Wonder if they'll support punycode domains - either for internationalisation or for emoji. I tried to get a .中国 domain, bet fell afoul of the "unique" restrictions that my reseller encountered.

.中国 is the country-code top-level domain for China, and has its own set of country-specific rules that they have devised. Emoji is illegal according to the IETF IDN specification. Some naive clients allow it (i.e. don't follow the standard) but ICANN rules prohibit registries allowing registration of labels that are disallowed by the standard.

There are some domains which allow Punycode converted emoji. See https://xn--i-7iq.ws/

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 10:52 AM UTC

johnklos wrote: post #106

kodablah wrote: post #49

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On the contrary, decisions by not-my-actual-server-host to get involved in content disputes is what would drive me away as a customer. What having the tiniest modicum of common sense would tell you is that holding each middleman responsible for content they pass through is ridiculous. It is definitely a way to enforce a level of censorship that didn't work when you went to the true source of the data. Hosting someone…

These things are not connected. You're a customer of Cloudflare by choice. If you use Cloudflare to hide your nefarious activities, then you SHOULD be inconvenienced by Cloudflare. Otherwise, you deserve no privacy so people can contact you / your actual provider properly. Building a keyboard is one thing. Providing ongoing services for illegal activity is something entirely different. You're being disingenuous by tr…

Illegal where? In the country where the site is hosted? In some country where Cloudflare operates? In the country of the user? In the country where the Cloudflare user resides?

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by nickjj » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 10:56 AM UTC

jazoom wrote: post #175

lazycouchpotato wrote: post #173

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I love Namesilo and have been using them for over a year with no hiccups. However, they were acquired by a Canadian investment firm earlier this year [1]. Till now there's been no change and things are still running smoothly — I just hope that continues. [1] https://coupontree.co/namesilo-was-sold-for-9-5-million/

Thank you for the info. I did not know that. Also, on closer inspection today, I realised that Namesilo does indeed increase renewal fee after the first year. The fee stays the same thereafter, and it's still the cheapest around, but it's worth keeping in mind. I caught onto this when I realised their registration price is actually below the wholesale cost for .com domains, according to this Cloudflare blog post. I m…

What price did you get your first year at?

If it was with a coupon then I could see it being bumped up but if you get it at $8.99, it will be $8.99 the next year and all years forward.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by jazoom » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #214

jazoom wrote: post #175

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Thank you for the info. I did not know that. Also, on closer inspection today, I realised that Namesilo does indeed increase renewal fee after the first year. The fee stays the same thereafter, and it's still the cheapest around, but it's worth keeping in mind. I caught onto this when I realised their registration price is actually below the wholesale cost for .com domains, according to this Cloudflare blog post. I m…

What price did you get your first year at? If it was with a coupon then I could see it being bumped up but if you get it at $8.99, it will be $8.99 the next year and all years forward.

All .com domains are $6.99 for me. Have been for at least 6 months. That not the case for you?

Edit: I do have many domains with them. I register new ones semi-frequently.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by WordSkill » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 11:20 AM UTC

maxgashkov wrote: post #138

WordSkill wrote: post #37

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Yeah, very surprising. Perhaps companies lose the ability to get this stuff done as they grow larger. An even more shocking example is Transferwise, supposedly a cutting-edge star of the "fintech" scene. They use SMS-based codes, a wildly insecure form of OTP. Over a thousand employees and they cannot even implement some sort of app-based TOTP (such as Google Authenticator) to protect their clients' money.

Transferwise is quite low risk in this regard. They don't have a balance or anything like that, it's only moving money between 2 accounts in a transactional manner.

No, Transferwise provide balances as part of their "Borderless banking" accounts: https://transferwise.com/gb/borderless/

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by nickjj » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 11:27 AM UTC

jazoom wrote: post #215

nickjj wrote: post #214

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What price did you get your first year at? If it was with a coupon then I could see it being bumped up but if you get it at $8.99, it will be $8.99 the next year and all years forward.

All .com domains are $6.99 for me. Have been for at least 6 months. That not the case for you? Edit: I do have many domains with them. I register new ones semi-frequently.

They are $8.99 for me for 1 year at a time. I have 7 domains with them but I didn't opt into their "discount program" (which required pre-funding your account at least $50 instead of using a CC / PayPal on demand). That's the one that drops them to $6.99 as seen here: https://www.namesilo.com/Support/Discount-Program

It does mention the renewal price is $8.89 (which is about the normal price) if you click the renewals tab.

I don't think I would put this into the same category as a bait and switch tactic that other vendors do. This one is all spelled out on the page and it's not part of the check out process. You have to go out of your way to discover and opt into the discount program.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by jazoom » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 11:42 AM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #217

jazoom wrote: post #215

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All .com domains are $6.99 for me. Have been for at least 6 months. That not the case for you? Edit: I do have many domains with them. I register new ones semi-frequently.

They are $8.99 for me for 1 year at a time. I have 7 domains with them but I didn't opt into their "discount program" (which required pre-funding your account at least $50 instead of using a CC / PayPal on demand). That's the one that drops them to $6.99 as seen here: https://www.namesilo.com/Support/Discount-Program It does mention the renewal price is $8.89 (which is about the normal price) if you click the renewal…

I didn't opt in to the discount program. I have never preloaded anything.

I checked today and it was actually pretty difficult to find what the renewal prices would be. Partly because the website is awful.

I didn't say it's a bait and switch. Even the renewal prices are outrageously cheap. I have no bad feelings towards Namesilo. My intent to move to Cloudflare is not because I'm unhappy with Namesilo.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by jrootabega » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #163

jrootabega wrote: post #110

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Namecheap is crappy even in the day-to-day context. I had a domain that I had registered with them for about 3-4 years. Suddenly I started getting notices that I needed to verify my contact information, due to their policies about "new" domain registration. Every time they sent the reminder, the deadline moved back accordingly. Only it didn't - the domain was shut down on the first date. Even transferring out was a h…

Email verification isn't a Namecheap thing, it was an ICANN thing, it happened to every domain provider.

I neglected to mention this happened only a few months ago, after the domain had been quietly and happily registered for several years. Unless you're saying ICANN changed the rules recently, but I'm having trouble finding a record of that.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Post by WordSkill » Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 12:02 PM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #153

dogecoinbase wrote: post #112

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Presumably, but they have a poorly-articulated point -- Cloudflare has an incredible potential for (even unintentional) destructive effect based on their extreme consolidation and centralization of internet technologies. I think a terrific example of this is when they put a DNS server on 1.1.1.1 (in historically unused address space which was assigned to APNIC for research purposes), got a certificate for the IP addr…

Thank you for articulating these points, agreed. They seem to have an insatiable desire to "become" the internet. I also find it bazaar that their CTO submits every single one of their blog posts to HN. This is the 16th Cloudflare blog post they've posted to HN this week. You would think they might have a marketing budget.

457 upvotes and 212 comments in less than 20 hours would suggest there is legitimate interest in this announcement.

You are correct that their CTO has submitted 16 posts this week (not all of them from their own blog), but I don't see the harm in that: less than half of them attract any comments at all and quickly slip beneath the waves.

Also, to be fair, it has been an unusually busy week, as they had a "Crypto Week" during which they announced something genuinely interesting each day, and their 8th birthday was a fair excuse for a navel-gazing post.