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Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Who would shut them down? Is this something the ICANN prohibits? Is ICANN even involved here, as Njalla is (to my knowledge) not an ICANN-accredited registrar? They simply buy the domains from an actual registrar and let you use them.

I think in the context of that, they were thinking about governments.

I don't know why buying something and then leasing it to someone else would be an illegal thing to do. I guess they made sure it's not illegal in Nevis, at least.

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I was one of the upvoted posters there. TLDR: I was issued couriered C&Ds to a postal and email address only used on Namecheap. The attacking party had no court order, subpoena, judgement, etc. Ted from namecheap asked me to email him. He confirmed legal had received the complaints, but said they hadn't replied. He hasn't replied to my email since (3 days ago) to offer any explanation how the attacking lawyers got de…

Just curious, where are you going to move to? If someone really wanted to sue you, it's pretty cheap to issue subpoenas ( [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_subpoena

I am considering moving to CF. The problem that I just learnt is that essentially any SaaS provider has an AUP that says: If anyone accuses you of IP Infringement, you're gone. In theory, this seems fine - because unless you're a Bad Person, you'd never infringe someone's IP.

In our instance, our service providers received a swath of C&Ds electronically, alleging IP infringement.

Within 24 hours, our various services providers had disclosed personal information, cut off services, blocked payments.. all based on an unfounded email.

The legal system is based on due process. This process should be respected. If my service provider gets a legitimate subpoena, I expect them to react.

However, I don't expect them to divulge personal information and cut off services based on an unfounded email. It's really, really nuts how quickly you can lose your business / take down someone else's business..

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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I though namecheap was one of the better ones around? I'm looking for a domain registrar. Could share the link with namecheap horror stories? Thanks

Namecheap is crappy even in the day-to-day context. I had a domain that I had registered with them for about 3-4 years. Suddenly I started getting notices that I needed to verify my contact information, due to their policies about "new" domain registration. Every time they sent the reminder, the deadline moved back accordingly. Only it didn't - the domain was shut down on the first date. Even transferring out was a h…

Email verification isn't a Namecheap thing, it was an ICANN thing, it happened to every domain provider.

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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I though namecheap was one of the better ones around? I'm looking for a domain registrar. Could share the link with namecheap horror stories? Thanks

I used to use namecheap for all my stuff but they went a bit downhill. Their API was worse than useless and so rate limited I couldn't use it for Lets Encrypt DNS challenges in the end, so moved them all. I wonder what the coverage is from CF for 'odd' tlds? I've got a .je domain that I had to register with gandi.net as no other big ones supported it. After I moved my domains from Namecheap I wanted to close the acco…

Am I just misremembering, or was there a time where the only way to register a .je was direct through island networks? I used to live there, and recall the domains always being a bit of a pain.

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What about email hosting? Gandi includes 5 email accounts with every registration, while most other registrars charge for each account. Email is a basic need.

I wouldn't be surprised of they just offered you referrals to Google Apps and Outlook 365. Email is a mess, no one in their right mind would try to get into that business. I guarantee you there are thousands of email servers out there that some small providers want to kill off but can't because it's legacy and impossible to force customers off.

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Price: $8.03 vs $14.99

All my domains are with Hover. Good customer support, reasonable UI, 2FA. I'm pretty happy with them. Sure, it's a little more expensive, but I actually like the no upsell, stable prices, no coupon codes etc.. Most importantly, there's a number to call. I've never had to call it in my 7 years with them, but I'm glad it's there for emergencies. A domain is so, so important, I don't see "we're a few bucks cheaper" as a…

I mean, that's literally the same thing CF is doing here. No upsell, stable prices (at cost) and obviously no coupon codes.

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I've been shy of purchasing a domain name for years ever since I did an availability search on a registrar's site only to discover that the domain had been "reserved" a few milliseconds before my search and would therefore cost more. It was so obviously shady that I just backed away and have been waiting ever since for some other naming system to become viable. Meanwhile, this announcement is a ray of sunshine from b…

CloudFlare doesn't say they wouldn't do the same (although I believe they won't). I don't really believe when people claim the registrars registered the domains themselves when they typed it in a search box. For example, it costs the registrars around $8 to register a .com, even for themselves. They make $1-2 profit from a purchase, and I would say spending $8 hoping the same user who searched it will be locked in is…

It was years ago and I can't remember the details, but I remember I used some registrar's domain-name-availability widget and somehow the name had been "reserved" (not registered) in a way that meant they would change me more money, and I was somehow able to find some other thing that showed the reservation had happened right around the moment I searched.

I'm sorry I can't give better details, but I remember clearly the sense of "Now that's pretty fishy..."

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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Can you quote a source for that? I'd very much like the assurance for a claim like that.

Yep! Here you go: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/cloudflare-ceo-t... Matthew Prince is a human like everybody else, and honestly, I would rather have him guarding my back than a lot of other tech CEOs.

Thanks for the source. Still, I'm getting mixed signals from that article, I guess he did what he did and regretted it? Have they taken steps to prevent something like that from happening again?

Re: Introducing Cloudflare Registrar

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This is awesome! Charging the exact same price as the registry wholesale price. NameSilo, as far as I know, comes very close to the registry pricing and offers DNSSEC, nameserver registration and other APIs with the registry. This could totally throw all registrars out of competition for the price of registry wholesale price. You just have to hope CloudFlare wouldn't overstep their role as a registrar if you only reg…

Porkbun is also wholesale except they add a few cents

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I think in the context of that, they were thinking about governments.

I don't know why buying something and then leasing it to someone else would be an illegal thing to do. I guess they made sure it's not illegal in Nevis, at least.

That's not the problem.

It's more the scenario that the country to which the company, or it's officers, belong/reside in, may take a disliking to their customers (perhaps for unlawful acts), and because the company is seen to own the domain, and either won't or can't hand over the details of the end customer, the company could be liable for those things.

Even if the company obeys every lawful direction on cancelling/handing over domains and whatever customer details they have - they may be seen as facilitating unlawful behavior, and so that in and of itself can be an unlawful act.

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