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Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by sulami »

whoknowsnobody wrote: post #128
sulami wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wondering about this for a while. Especially now that they're actively supplying servers to support sync (which also at least at the time of writing doesn't seem to allow running your own server).

The same as Mozilla, default bookmarks and search engines. The founder, Jon, said that in every interview they ask him, shouldn't be too hard to find.

That makes sense. I wonder how viable this is financially, given that it's a very niche browser, at least right now.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#132

Post by whoknowsnobody »

toyg wrote: post #55
eirki wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression is that they've explicitly advertised their intention not to sell user data: We’ve always taken data security extremely seriously. And we’ve long believed that everything you store in your browser belongs to you — which is why we’ll never sell your data, or willingly compromise your privacy

New copy on the day Chrome is in the middle of a privacy-related storm, what a coincidence. From the (older) interview you linked: 'The aim is to earn a dollar per year per user. "We're almost there," he says. "I think we can do more than that and still be nice guys and not sell out our users or do anything silly."' That's hardly cast-iron, especially considering that Opera did indeed sell out eventually (yeah I know…

Opera had investors who pressured Jon, Jon left, they sold out. Vivaldi is Jon & Tatsuki project, no external investors.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#133

Post by whoknowsnobody »

sulami wrote: post #131
whoknowsnobody wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same as Mozilla, default bookmarks and search engines. The founder, Jon, said that in every interview they ask him, shouldn't be too hard to find.

That makes sense. I wonder how viable this is financially, given that it's a very niche browser, at least right now.

I think Jon said somewhere that to start being profitable they needed something about 3 million users, and Vivaldi already has more than 800 000 according to their page and I heard some other sites saying it's already at over 1 million.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#134

Post by atlemo »

rayascott wrote: post #87

Can any browser out there, Vivaldi or otherwise, take the tabs of a window and save the corresponding list of URLs so I can reopen that window of tabs at a later date? That’s one essential feature I want from a browser, I’ve grown to desire more over the years, but for some strange reason, no browser I’ve seen out there allows you to treat sets of URLs as such.

Yes, you can :) https://help.vivaldi.com/article/session-management/

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#135

Post by nerdponx »

whoknowsnobody wrote: post #133
sulami wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes sense. I wonder how viable this is financially, given that it's a very niche browser, at least right now.

I think Jon said somewhere that to start being profitable they needed something about 3 million users, and Vivaldi already has more than 800 000 according to their page and I heard some other sites saying it's already at over 1 million.

That's surprisingly economical, much more than I expected. I suppose "no tracking" search engines like DDG have a similar approach.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#136

Post by h1d »

ddevault wrote: post #95
krn wrote: post #47

Sadly, Vivaldi is not an open-source web browser[1]. [1] https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/

Until the headline reads "Vivaldi source code released", the browser is irrelevant. They really need to get their act together on this point, there's no excuse for a closed source web browser in 2018.

What do you mean by irrelevant? How does open sourcing it makes it relevant?

If it means privacy, one could just monitor network activity and see if it's making weird connections instead of going through gigantic source repo which most people can't even tell what's going on.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#137

Post by class4behavior »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #123
class4behavior wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did any of you even bother to read the entry behind that link?

Yes. Would you care to point out.exactly what you think I missed?

The link clearly describes that de facto you have access to Vivaldi's entire code.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#138

Post by BrendanEich »

CorpusCalcium wrote: post #116
nil_pointer wrote: post #114

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That's not entirely accurate, he was forced out

No, he wasn't. He wasn't accepted as CEO by enough employees, but he could have stepped down and retained another position in the company, like CTO. Even he recognizes that Mozilla leadership wanted him to stay on board, but he chose to quit and pursue his own project. Which is fine. It just doesn't mean he was "forced" out any more than the people who quit because they couldn't stand him being CEO were "forced" out.

Why are you asserting false claims without being able to support them?

As CEO I had already reorged Mozilla, and CTO was lined up for someone else (Andreas Gal). I was not offered any particular C level position by anyone with authority over such things.

I did not leave because of any of my employees objecting to me. If you are thinking of the handful of Mozilla Foundation employees who tweeted on March 27th against me (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/mozil...), none of them worked for me. The Mozilla Foundation is arms-length from the Mozilla Corporation.

I also did not quit to pursue my own project; Brave was not founded until May 2015. I resigned to avoid Mozilla taking any more damage from mob action kicked off by someone who demanded that I be "completely removed from any day to day activities at Mozilla" (http://web.archive.org/web/20180621041436/http://www.teamrar... -- the blog seems broken but the Web archive has snapshots).

It's clear you just asserted falsehoods that make you comfortable. But you not only did not know what you were asserting to be true, you could not possibly know whether it was true. That's wishful thinking at best, and tantamount to lying at worst.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#139

Post by [deleted] »

Frondo wrote: post #101
ColanR wrote: post #35

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Too bad the founder was kicked out for political reasons. It would have been nice if FF could have focused on technology, while being agnostic to the politics.

He wasn't kicked out -- he resigned. And it was for political reasons that stood to directly affect an unknown number of his employees, the people whose lives would be directly affected by his donation to the anti-gay marriage thing; if those people raise a stink because he's trying to use government to interfere in their lives, I can't fault them. "I'm going to use my wealth and power to negatively impact your life…

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Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

#140

Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

class4behavior wrote: post #137
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Would you care to point out.exactly what you think I missed?

The link clearly describes that de facto you have access to Vivaldi's entire code.

"Because you can disassemble it, it's de-facto open source"

Give me a freaking break.

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