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Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by nojvek »

I believe Shazam is very much an acquisition for its patent and algorithm sauce. The technology behind it is relatively simple based on audio fingerprinting

http://royvanrijn.com/blog/2010/06/creating-shazam-in-java/

It was either Google Music, Spotify or Apple Music that would have acquired it.

I’m a 100% sure this will end up as a deep integration with Siri and the existing Apple Music app.

Apple has always done well with its acquisitions. Buy small companies that do one small thing and do it extremely well, and fuse that with the Apple ecosystem, quality and rigor.

Congrats to the Shazam team for going with Apple. Google would have most definitely messed it up like they did with Songza. I will never forgive them for that.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by coldtea »

iainmerrick wrote: post #320
coldtea wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A correct statement based on three wrong assumptions. 1) That I've lost interest in music myself (I didn't). 2) That whether some other people might not lose music was disputed. Perhaps you imagined me as some strange creature in a cave that has never heard or known of people that maintain their interest in music to their late age. 3) That the fact that some other people don't lose interest in music is relevant. I wa…

Even if so, why would that mean older people have no use for Shazam? Have you never heard an old song you half-recognized and thought “huh, what band is that again?”

>why would that mean older people have no use for Shazam?

It doesn't mean "older people have no use for Shazam".

It means "as it has been observed statistically, _most_ older people don't seem to have a use for Shazam and any random older person is more likely to fall into that category than the rest of the older people".

Carl Craig is old too.

>Have you never heard an old song you half-recognized and thought “huh, what band is that again?”

Yes, but this is not such a large part of the older demographic's lifestyle for the app to matter much to them.

Old people also want to send their dickpicks too, but they don't flock to Snapchat.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by akaralar »

coldtea wrote: post #315
iainmerrick wrote: post #250

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Other people might be different from you.

A correct statement based on three wrong assumptions. 1) That I've lost interest in music myself (I didn't). 2) That whether some other people might not lose music was disputed. Perhaps you imagined me as some strange creature in a cave that has never heard or known of people that maintain their interest in music to their late age. 3) That the fact that some other people don't lose interest in music is relevant. I wa…

I would dispute 3, listening to the same genre doesn't imply you lost interest in music, because being interested doesn't comprise only of listening to the different genres. According to your definition if you listen to the same genres 7/24 your whole life, it means you lost interest in music after 30?

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by rlpb »

avip wrote: post #32
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #21

Shazam is the closest thing we have to witchcraft. I'm sure plenty of HNers will chime in with "well acktually..." type comments about how they could write it in their basement in a weekend, but to do what it does, as quickly as it does, on the ridiculously enormous library of music that it does is really something special.

Well acktually, in my admittedly limited experience, Shazam is not capable of recognizing any music at all without the digitized metadata encoded with sound files. I've tried multiple times to sing very popular songs to it. It never recognized them. You could attribute it to my poor musical skills (and I'm fine with that), but 100% of humans would recognize the songs in < 10s timeframe.

It recognises _recordings_, not performances.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by alfredmuffin »

coldtea wrote: post #314
alfredmuffin wrote: post #263

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Yup. I too completely lost interest in music when I hit 30 /s

Yup, because it matters what some outliers do when it comes to statements about the general population ("it's also rare") /s

I think I misunderstood ... what exactly is rare?

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by gnulinux »

applecrazy wrote: post #200
gnulinux wrote: post #153

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If you're interested, you can search Berkeley EE16A and if you're lucky you'll find the homework assignment (Berkeley's class materials are always open to public). It was like a Jupyter notebook and the "song" was I think random 5 seconds of Universal Declarations of Human Rights, or something like that. I'm writing this in case it helps your search, I'm at work so I don't have time to search it myself. I took this c…

The course website for EE16A is https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee16a/ . Looks like an interesting course.

It's mostly pretty standard linear algebra (from matrix operations to vector spaces to eigenvalue/eigenvectors) and some circuit theory (KVL, KCL, op-amps, circuit design etc) and some signal processing (cross-correlation, OMP, Sparse OMP, least squares etc). All EE/CS students take this class in Berkeley, it is strongly recommended to be taken as freshman (unless you take Math 54 which is an equivalent course with no circuit theory). It is followed by EE16B which includes further topics in linear algebra (SVD!), circuits (transistors!) and signal processing (Fourier Series!), and CS70 which includes discrete mathematics and probability theory. This series is usually taken along with programming based classes CS 61A and CS 61B; and after finishing both of these series students start taking "upperdivision" classes.

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by oddevan »

scarface74 wrote: post #291
oddevan wrote: post #45

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Start the timer when Apple Music for Android stops getting updates.

I don’t think Apple Music for Android was a play for Android users. It’s more of away not to be at a disadvantage when Apple is trying to sell a Family Plsn for Apple Music to a family of mixed Android/iOS users. Back in the day, people didn’t realize the competitive advantage it gave MS to have a version for Macs. They could sell into large enterprises that may only have 5-10% Macs with a cross platform offering. Th…

You're absolutely right! And I hadn't thought about MS Office for Mac in that way before; thanks!

My comment was more geared towards OP's "well, now they're going to cancel the Android version" when Apple literally just released a new version of Apple Music for Android with platform-specific features: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/09/19/apple-music-android-aut...

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by coldtea »

akaralar wrote: post #323
coldtea wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A correct statement based on three wrong assumptions. 1) That I've lost interest in music myself (I didn't). 2) That whether some other people might not lose music was disputed. Perhaps you imagined me as some strange creature in a cave that has never heard or known of people that maintain their interest in music to their late age. 3) That the fact that some other people don't lose interest in music is relevant. I wa…

I would dispute 3, listening to the same genre doesn't imply you lost interest in music, because being interested doesn't comprise only of listening to the different genres. According to your definition if you listen to the same genres 7/24 your whole life, it means you lost interest in music after 30?

Listening to the same genre means that you're not as willing to search anymore. So even if you're still interested in _your_ kinds of music, you're not interest in exploring the musical landscape as much as you did -- your preferences have solidified.

But, honestly, I don't know how all this is controversial, unless someone is 20 and all their friends are too.

I'd expect anybody over 30 or so to verify that even if music is still a big deal for them, it's not as much for most of their friends as it was in their teen years and early 20s.

Unless you're 30 and all your friends are eg. DJs and techno-heads or heavy-metal fans still rocking those leather pants, the usual course is that they are more interesting in their careers, families, new babies, and binge watching TV and surfing, than following music, even if that was a big part of their identity in their teens. Is that inaccurate?

Re: Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam

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Post by coldtea »

alfredmuffin wrote: post #325
coldtea wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, because it matters what some outliers do when it comes to statements about the general population ("it's also rare") /s

I think I misunderstood ... what exactly is rare?

People being as interested to follow new music after 30-40 as opposed in their teens early 20s...
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