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Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:21 PM UTC

wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

> I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer

Really ? What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ? Do Go appservers exist that offer all the features that something like Payara (Glassfish), JBoss or WebSphere does ?

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by Insanity » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:22 PM UTC

wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

We use both at work and they really are two different beasts.

Especially if you use Java for desktop applications rather than server-side. And Generics was not part of Go's plan for a long time.

I enjoy both but would not say Go offers all that Java has or vice versa

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:23 PM UTC

baud147258 wrote: post #7

Java 11? At work we haven't even started to look at the migration from Java 8...

They switched to a different release model with major releases more often, but not all of those releases are LTS. Java 11 if the first LTS release since Java 8.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by JoshuaAshton » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:23 PM UTC

Oracle seriously needs to be fought in court about this and their other actions.

They're actively hostile to the whole tech community and their entire business model is based on trapping people into paying for things by not making their licenses clear or changing their licenses.

I don't know why anyone would use any software made by Oracle these days, the alternatives and open implementations of their own systems tend to be faster - and their "unbreakable Linux kernel" is a joke and a legal disaster waiting to happen.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by bradleyjg » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:23 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #11

tyler274 wrote: post #2

as long as openjdk remains open i dont mind

OpenJDK used to have some incompatibilities that tended to blow up in production (rare case "enjoyment") - is it now 100% compatible with original Oracle SDK? Otherwise companies would be forced to use commercial one in order not to disrupt their legacy systems.

Not 100%. There's still some weird edge cases having to do with the swing and crypto libraries. But the big performance regressions that we used to see are gone and with the release of flight recorder in Java 11, the last major commercial feature is now in openJDK.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by bradleyjg » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:25 PM UTC

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #15

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #6

Currently happy about Azul OpenJDK.

'Zulu', right? What's their angle?

It's openJDK but with a relatively affordable support agreement.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by ofrzeta » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:25 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #21

wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

> I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer Really ? What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ? Do Go appservers exist that offer all the features that something like Payara (Glassfish), JBoss or WebSphere does ?

What's the point of J2EE or an application server? You can get functionality such as templates, management, monitoring, persistence through other means as well.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by jamespo » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:26 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #11

tyler274 wrote: post #2

as long as openjdk remains open i dont mind

OpenJDK used to have some incompatibilities that tended to blow up in production (rare case "enjoyment") - is it now 100% compatible with original Oracle SDK? Otherwise companies would be forced to use commercial one in order not to disrupt their legacy systems.

Legacy is most of Oracle's business model nowadays

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by dudul » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:26 PM UTC

wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

You seem to confuse the language Java and the JVM. Updating the JVM (which you are not forced to do) does not mean that you need to update your code base. That's actually Java's main strength (and weakness), it is compatible all the way to version 1.0

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by jcadam » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:26 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #11

tyler274 wrote: post #2

as long as openjdk remains open i dont mind

OpenJDK used to have some incompatibilities that tended to blow up in production (rare case "enjoyment") - is it now 100% compatible with original Oracle SDK? Otherwise companies would be forced to use commercial one in order not to disrupt their legacy systems.

I've found that as of Java 8 the compatibility is pretty good, and I use OpenJDK exclusively now. Prior to that, it definitely had issues and I always used the Sun/Oracle JDK.