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Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by bitL » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:11 PM UTC

tyler274 wrote: post #2

as long as openjdk remains open i dont mind

OpenJDK used to have some incompatibilities that tended to blow up in production (rare case "enjoyment") - is it now 100% compatible with original Oracle SDK? Otherwise companies would be forced to use commercial one in order not to disrupt their legacy systems.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by Nasrudith » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:11 PM UTC

sheeshkebab wrote: post #8

It’s unfortunate Java is turning into modern day COBOL.

Really I think the best thing for Java at this point is getting it out of Oracle's greedy clutches. They are debasing the ecosystem of the language as a whole at this point.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by keymone » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:12 PM UTC

interestingly, openjdk is the top link on google for me for "java 11" search.

did google do that?

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by bradleyjg » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:15 PM UTC

baud147258 wrote: post #7

Java 11? At work we haven't even started to look at the migration from Java 8...

As odd as it sounds given how things used to work, in the new model you are generally expected to go from 8 to 11. So you're not especially behind. That said, this transition will be rougher than most because of modules.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by MaxBarraclough » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:16 PM UTC

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #6

Currently happy about Azul OpenJDK.

'Zulu', right? What's their angle?

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by wheresvic1 » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:17 PM UTC

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by paradox_hunter » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:18 PM UTC

>You may not: use the Programs for any data processing or any commercial, production, or internal business purposes other than developing, testing, prototyping, and demonstrating your Application;

From what I understood, I as a student could still use java 11 from Oracle, as I wouldn't be using it for "production". Is that correct? Or are there other implications that I am missing here?

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by MaxBarraclough » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:19 PM UTC

paradox_hunter wrote: post #17

>You may not: use the Programs for any data processing or any commercial, production, or internal business purposes other than developing, testing, prototyping, and demonstrating your Application; From what I understood, I as a student could still use java 11 from Oracle, as I wouldn't be using it for "production". Is that correct? Or are there other implications that I am missing here?

I suspect you're right, but does Oracle JDK really add any appreciable value over OpenJDK, for a student?

I'd go for OpenJDK simply to form good habits.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by electrotype » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:20 PM UTC

An interesting thing about AdoptOpenJDK is that it seems they may provide builds with DCEVM + HotswapAgent integrated, in the future [0]! And maybe become a very good and easy to use alternative to the way too expensive JRebel.

[0] https://github.com/HotswapProjects/HotswapAgent/issues/218#i...

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 12:21 PM UTC

bradleyjg wrote: post #4

tyler274 wrote: post #2

as long as openjdk remains open i dont mind

As long as OpenJDK remains open and maintained for a reasonable length of time , I don't mind. Right now it's looking good, but only thanks to Red Hat (et al.) and not Oracle.

When did Red-Hat hired all Oracle developers working on OpenJDK?