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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Any source for the 10 times claim?

lol, nope. Like, what unit does one even measure corruption in? GP appears to be expressing a rote dislike of MS uncritically carried through from the 90s. Nowadays they're nowhere close to Google or FB in terms of EITHER anti-competitive business practices or user/consumer/human hostile product designs.

> what unit does one even measure corruption in?

kiloBrutus

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source for the 10 times claim?

lol, nope. Like, what unit does one even measure corruption in? GP appears to be expressing a rote dislike of MS uncritically carried through from the 90s. Nowadays they're nowhere close to Google or FB in terms of EITHER anti-competitive business practices or user/consumer/human hostile product designs.

Try and install Chrome on Windows 10 and tell us that again.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source for the 10 times claim?

lol, nope. Like, what unit does one even measure corruption in? GP appears to be expressing a rote dislike of MS uncritically carried through from the 90s. Nowadays they're nowhere close to Google or FB in terms of EITHER anti-competitive business practices or user/consumer/human hostile product designs.

I suggest dollars would fit the situation

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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I just switched to Edge and it looks great. One of the reasons I had used Chrome and had recommended all my customers to use Chrome was the ability to print to PDF, which Firefox did not have (not sure if it does now). Edge does and will be recommending all my clients to try out Egde.

pdf.js was intergrated into Firefox at version 19 (released 2012). It looks like pdf.js it supported printing back then. It certainly does now.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

I assume this is the engineering at work. "Okay, users are confused by how they're logged into Google but not Chrome, or Chrome but not Google - let's make them one and the same". "Okay, but once you're logged into Chrome now, every post we check to see if we have the Google cookies to keep that sync... so that means when you clear the cookies the Google ones will automagically reappear" "Ugh, let's just notify the u…

Furthermore, I see all this anger about this technical decision affecting peoples privacy, but have not yet seen someone provide a good engineering solution to the problem it was trying to solve.

Example Use Case: I was contacted by my poor old mother recently who said that she was logged into "The Google" but was seeing the wrong emails! She was horribly confused.

What had happened was that my sister had checked her email on my mothers computer and forgot to log out. My mother was logged into Chrome (as it correctly said on the top right of the browser) but didn't understand that logging in/out of Gmail was a different thing.

To blame non technical users for being confused here is unfair at the least. And I'm sure there are millions of them with the same problem.

A technical user who cares about privacy can:

- not log into Google and use an external email client for Gmail

- use Gmail in incognito

- disable Chrome auto log in via the preferences (although I haven't tried this myself some people say it works, although I've seen conflicting info about if this works in future versions of Chrome).

- use Firefox (but if you are still using Gmail I'm rolling my eyes here)

I personally don't think it is too evil that Google cares more about people like my mother than advanced privacy conscious technical users.

Also I can't see how auto syncing ones account with Chrome really damages privacy any more than what is there now? If you are logged into Gmail they have your cookies while you browse the web anyway. If you privacy conscious enough that you log out of Gmail every time you are done, fair enough, but I would suggest not using Gmail at all in that case.

But most importantly I'd like to hear a better engineering solution for people like my mother?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Isn't this an unsurprising, logical consequence of "signing into google"=="signing into chrome"? If you're still signed into Chrome you're going to get those cookies recreated by Chrome immediately. Has anyone tested this behavior if you aren't signed in, or have disabled the google/chrome login equivalence?

So this means if you want to clear all your cookies you have to sign out of Google? I really don't see what the big deal is it looks like the button is pretty darn clear about what it does and does not do, perhaps they could include a link to sign out of google as well?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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I tried to switch to Firefox lately after this new speedy version had been released. I really underestimated how good Chromium is. Basic stuff, like in page search(Ctrl+F) is awful after Chromium experience. Resistance to copying omni-bar is silly. Crashes every day. The UX is bad compared to Chromium. Spent month dealing with it and just abandoned this endeavor. Really sad, i want Firefox to be better.

"Resistance to copying omni-bar"? It seems to work OK for me. What are you trying to do and how does Firefox resist it? "Crashes every day"? I can't remember the last time I had a Firefox crash; maybe this is OS-dependent. (I use it on Windows and on FreeBSD; how about you?) "The UX is bad compared to Chromium" -- obviously if you're used to one program's UX then another's may seem obtuse. What about the Firefox UX i…

I'm one of those people who can't use Firefox thanks to the frequent crashing. It happens for me at least once a day, particularly when I have the same site open in multiple tabs. I get a yellow bar saying a script is slowing down this website, and ALL the tabs lock up thanks to it. If you're lucky enough to kill all the impacted tabs (you're rarely that lucky, it's that unresponsive) your browsing experience from then on will be bad, and the whole browser will need restarting.

I haven't seen a Chrome crash in years, yet the Firefox ones are very frequent. Not that I want to switch, I might be the only one here who is happy with Chromium on all my PCs!

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

> Switch to bing I've found Startpage and its sister site IxQuick to be a good alternative to Google. Same search results with a lot of detritus filtered out, keeps you out of Google's search bubble, and it has built in proxy features. Instead of Bing, which tracks you for monetization on Microsoft's behalf (though I trust Microsoft with my information more than Google), try DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as a back end but…

https://www.searx.me/

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

> Switch to bing I've found Startpage and its sister site IxQuick to be a good alternative to Google. Same search results with a lot of detritus filtered out, keeps you out of Google's search bubble, and it has built in proxy features. Instead of Bing, which tracks you for monetization on Microsoft's behalf (though I trust Microsoft with my information more than Google), try DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as a back end but…

Honestly, does using Google even matter anymore unless you are trying to search for something extremely obscure?

Most of the time, my searches are directly for products (ie, Amazon.com, Target.com, Walmart.com), people (ie fb.com), Wikipedia (first few hits on Google), locations (yelp.com, Google maps, ___ maps), recommendations (yelp.com, etc), hotels or travel (expedia.com, kayak.com, hotwire.com, united.com, southwest.com, etc) or Stackoverflow (first page of Google) — I’d wager any modern search engine such as Bing or DDG can easily present all the relevant Stackoverflow/Stackexchange/Stack{...} results you could ever desire.

It’s not the same as the old days of random (important) data sprinkled across the personal/hobby pages of some knowledgeable people across Geocities — is there even a need for using Google anymore?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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> Switch to bing I've found Startpage and its sister site IxQuick to be a good alternative to Google. Same search results with a lot of detritus filtered out, keeps you out of Google's search bubble, and it has built in proxy features. Instead of Bing, which tracks you for monetization on Microsoft's behalf (though I trust Microsoft with my information more than Google), try DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as a back end but…

https://www.searx.me/

I just tried this and got an error that says "Error! -search error" when searching for the term "angular directives". Not very compelling.
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