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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by vec »

cousin_it wrote: post #527
marcosdumay wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the OP was complaining about short-term biases from management. The entire ethical discussion is pushed way over its actual relevance (really, how big an ethical flaw is not deleting a cookie? Google will identify you anyway, cookie or not). That said, about this: > and now you understand how SYSTEMIC problems persist: Nobody is held personally accountable It looks completely backwards. Environments that…

> > and now you understand how SYSTEMIC problems persist: Nobody is held personally accountable > It looks completely backwards. Environments that fix systemic problems are overwhelmingly on the side of not blaming individuals and looking only at the system. That's a fascinating exchange. I find myself siding more with you than with braythwayt, but still uncertain because the idea is new to me. Is there a good writeu…

I don't think these two ideas are as opposed as you're implying. They're describing two different perspectives on the same process. To wit:

1. Individuals have values and ethics that they'll make a reasonable effort to comply with. Society recognizes this and rewards and punishes individuals for the ethical bent of the projects they are clearly responsible for.

2. As the size and complexity of a project grows responsibility becomes diffuse until there's no single individual to hold responsible for any given decision. Once this happens the informal, personalized ethical safeguards begin to break down.

3. Once the informal individual scale safeguards have dissolved they usually can't be rebuilt. Instead they need to be replaced with formal safeguard mechanisms that operate at the project scale.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by nybble41 »

spurcell93 wrote: post #592
groovybits wrote: post #580

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The action to resolve all of those is to use an AOSP ROM and do not sign into Google. Thats it. The hard part is de-coupling yourself from Google services, if you rely on them. That may be solved via self-hosted services. See: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted

This is one thing that I genuinely have never understood: if it's this challenging (and effectively impossible for non tech savvy users) to make android devices safe / private / secure and also feature-complete - why, oh why are so many people still using them? This is not me fanboying Apple, it's just sort of mind boggling to me. This is from someone who used a nexus 6p for two years, and some older stuff before tha…

If you think it's "challenging" to use Android devices without Google, you should try using your iPhone without Apple. At least with Android you have the option of installing a custom ROM based on AOSP with no Google services.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by froindt »

userbinator wrote: post #261
arunitc wrote: post #110

I just switched to Edge and it looks great. One of the reasons I had used Chrome and had recommended all my customers to use Chrome was the ability to print to PDF, which Firefox did not have (not sure if it does now). Edge does and will be recommending all my clients to try out Egde.

the ability to print to PDF All browser have had the ability to do that, for many years now, if you install a PDF printer driver. Adobe was the first with a commercial one, but I'm sure there are free ones now.

No idea what GP's role is, but given corporate environments, installing a PDF printer driver isn't always a quick process. This is particularly true if they're working with customers from many different companies, each with their own IT considerations.

Recommending Chrome is an easy enough way to get that functionality.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by patrec »

braythwayt wrote: post #337
wruza wrote: post #326

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Putting yourself in a weaker position due to your views doesn't scale and thus doesn't work. For one hero there are ten conformists at the same level of skill, waiting for him/her to leave. While it's brave, it is also pointless. The problem as you state it can be solved only by explicit consensus, being it a law or just a manifesto. Modern privacy has no professional and power-y organization under it, except for few…

If your argument is that they can do more good by staying, fine. I say the exact same thing about staying in Ontario despite the recent election of a wannabe Trump populist. But if you say, “Ontario made this stupid decision,” I can’t tell you, “I didn’t vote for this, I can’t change it, I’m not responsible.” I have to tell you, “It sucks, and as a citizen I bear some of the responsibility, and here’s what I’m doing…

You are weakening your own case by grandstanding. No sane person would expect you to "take responsibility" for some politician you didn't like (or help) to get elected in Ontario (a place with 14 Million people, but of limited global impact). You staying in Ontario (even without engaging in political activism) is not at all comparable to directly working on products you consider immoral in a company with an engineering workforce roughly one thousands the size of that but vastly bigger global impact. Neither in terms of personal culpability, sacrifices required or plausible positive effect your decisions might have.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by driverdan »

thomasahle wrote: post #251
Daniel_sk wrote: post #176

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I really recommend switching to a password manager - it's also easier to access the passwords from other devices. For example I can use the same passwords on Firefox desktop and on Safari - iPhone (including auto-fill on iOS 12). I have good experience with 1Password (subscription paid).

I was thinking to just have Firefox on my phone as well. Is 1Password able to provide passwords and credit card information inside other apps?

Yes, password managers work inside apps for logins and personal info.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by ken »

beavis2 wrote: post #101
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #78

Was using private browsing to log in to work gmail last night and found it really creepy how it remained logged in across private tabs. Thought the whole point of a private tab was to completely isolate a browsing session, now you can never be certain your Google credentials are not being shared in these private sessions or even contaminate my non-private sessions. Going to have to use another browser for my work ses…

> it remained logged in across private tabs. If you mean "Incognito mode", then that's always happened. You need to close all tabs. Exactly the same for FireFox's private browsing.

I don't use Chrome/Firefox but this surprises me, as well. The presence of a private browser window (anywhere) will prevent it from deleting cookies when you close this private browser window? That seems completely counterintuitive to me. When else, in any application, does the mere existence of an open, empty window completely change the behavior of a different window?

Safari's private tabs are each completely independent.

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Post by dylan604 »

murukesh_s wrote: post #310
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #274

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Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

You would be surprised. I am using Bing alone for over a year and had to use google for 2-3 cases at max. Agreed google sometimes return different results, but you cannot say it's better, especially if you are used to seeing Bing results. I would suggest you try Bing for a month and go to google if you cannot absolutely find anything in Bing.

What kind of queries with Bing (or DDG for other users) gives results that suggest you need to switch to Google?

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Post by thinkpad20 »

snarfy wrote: post #195
orcdork wrote: post #139

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That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

> They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else?

Not all job changes are so drastic. Refusing to implement this behavior might be as simple as just requesting to switch teams within Google. If one chooses to leave, finding another high paying job in the same area is not typically a great challenge for a Google engineer. No uprooting necessary...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by [deleted] »

kryogen1c wrote: post #269
braythwayt wrote: post #224

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Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

This is a toothless, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophy that does not solve any problem. I will explain, but first let it be known that I am a scorned Google user. I jumped on board the magic carpet of every Google service as soon as I could and loved it the whole time, but it has become clear to me that Google and my values no longer align. So I'm leaving. However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't so…

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