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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by pmontra »

ReAzem wrote: post #479
brlewis wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the (you won't be signed out of your Google account) language was something an engineer or product developer insisted on. Perhaps they figured that was their part, and that it's up to the rest of us to take 10 minutes and switch to Firefox so data-driven Google knows this was a bad idea.

Mozilla are winding down their efforts to make Firefox competitive. They are not planning to make a full servo browser anytime soon and they are transfering resources to VR and other things. This is disapointing. You can't blame them, their user base is in free fall.

From https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Roadmap

> Our long-term plan is to:

>

> Incrementally replace components in Firefox with ones written in Rust and shared with Servo

I don't know if they have a date in mind for the delivery of a 100% Rust Firefox, but they're not stopping the initiative.

The page goes on with a list of stuff they planned to add to Servo in 2018, which will eventually go into Firefox.

Edit: fixed the formatting of the quote

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by drb91 »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #274
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

Really? It seems to work for me for all but the most intricate searches. Recently I’ve noticed the first page of google results is getting a bit useless from all the SEO pushing commercial results to the top—ideally I’d want to filter out businesses from results. I don’t see this happening any time soon, unfortunately.

Finally, the quality of search results is mildly subjective the closer you get to “keyword search” and away from “text search”. Google handles this scenario the best interface wise, but quality it seems to have been going down since they introduced the knowledge base—too many unrelated bits of information being pulled in without being asked for.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Dirlewanger »

mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Shows how powerful Google's brand still is with the software industry. Company was built on it, and now for at least a decade it's been exploiting that brand power to subvert any/all expectations of control over our data. And frankly we're all to blame for having the wool pulled over us.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by chaostheory »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

> very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively

I agree with the problem but not the cause. I don't feel that this has anything to do with being complacent. If anything, this is the downside of being a publicly traded company that has the pressure to meet Wall Street's myopic expectations of growth every quarter.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by conradfr »

kryogen1c wrote: post #269
braythwayt wrote: post #224

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Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

This is a toothless, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophy that does not solve any problem. I will explain, but first let it be known that I am a scorned Google user. I jumped on board the magic carpet of every Google service as soon as I could and loved it the whole time, but it has become clear to me that Google and my values no longer align. So I'm leaving. However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't so…

We saw what happened when you try to do that on their mailing-lists.

Between things decided by data and management I'm not sure what a single developer can influence. I guess it sill more than by quitting, because you won't say anything in the exit interview in case you want to come back.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by drusepth »

Jedi72 wrote: post #514
krelian wrote: post #280

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>I'd say 95% of people are happy that their accounts are all synchronised and follows them around. I actually really like this feature and find it really convenient for my usage habits. I also don't really care that Google is tracking me, I give them my data and in return they provide some really useful services for me. They only thing that bothers me about the privacy issue is the off-chance that an individual will…

Google doesn't need to read my mail to make a good webmail interface. Google doesnt need to track me 24/7 to tell me where XYZ restaurant is on the map. These are complex services, but nothing magical about them - if Google didn't kill all competition in the space by offering a (admittedly, very good) free service, you would probably be paying a couple of bucks a year for one of the ~5 leading apps in competition wit…

>Google doesn't need to read my mail to make a good webmail interface.

No, but they _are_ able to better catch spam, categorize your emails for you, highlight the emails that are most important to you, suggest pre-written responses for you, and more -- by incorporating your data into the service.

>Google doesnt need to track me 24/7 to tell me where XYZ restaurant is on the map.

No, but they _are_ able to suggest restaurants you'd probably like, compare them to other places you've been/rated, warn you about traffic on your commute, show you photographic places you might be interested in, and more -- by incorporating your data into the service.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Google _could_ provide these services without using your data. Obviously, they could. I think the debate stems from whether those services are worth the data they depend on.

I wouldn't (and don't: see Google Apps) use any Google service that costs $5/month. In the same vein, if the features of those services got gutted in the name of "we won't use your data anymore", I wouldn't use the services either (assuming I could find a competitor that provides a better service... probably with my data).

I want personalized search. I want the ads I'm forced to see to be things I'm actually interested in. I want Chrome to log me into everything automatically. I want my data synced across all my devices. I want technology to just work for _me_.

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Post by brainwad »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #216
snarfy wrote: post #195

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They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

> I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it. There are no poor engineers at Google. That is, ironically, the point people are making: if you make that much money doing something so (arguably) distasteful, you deserve scorn. It's in the "you can't have your cake and eat it too" family.

Most people working at Google don't work on these things. They work on products that genuinely help users. Should they quit just because someone else at the company is doing stupid things? Wouldn't that just leave the idiots in control of the massive resources of the company, unrestrained by internal pressure from good employees?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by namesbc »

jstanley wrote: post #353
swebs wrote: post #320

"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

If the company is asking you to do things that you find ethically untenable, you should leave, even in full knowledge that the company will find a way to do it anyway.

Come on. Most users want their "chrome google account" to be the same as their "web google account", and it is confusing when they aren't.

You can argue it is unethical to build tech for the military. But you have a really broad definition of unethical if it includes improving a product so the default is what most users want, and you need to adjust some things to make it the way you want.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by josteink »

thomasahle wrote: post #251
Daniel_sk wrote: post #176

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I really recommend switching to a password manager - it's also easier to access the passwords from other devices. For example I can use the same passwords on Firefox desktop and on Safari - iPhone (including auto-fill on iOS 12). I have good experience with 1Password (subscription paid).

I was thinking to just have Firefox on my phone as well. Is 1Password able to provide passwords and credit card information inside other apps?

> I was thinking to just have Firefox on my phone as well.

Passwords sync just fine to Firefox on iOS too. No need for a dedicated password manager.

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