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Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by rapnie »

jstanley wrote: post #376
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #274

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Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

I use DuckDuckGo exclusively and don't feel like my life is worse for it. It really is good enough. And when you also factor in that you're not helping Google build a profile on you, it's better than Google.

I use DDG as default search for little over a year now. Mostly I am quite happy with it, and do not have to fall back to Google.

But for some searches I do have to do that. E.g. searching for a HN discussion from the last week: usually no hit. Also image and video search yield surprisingly little results. This last thing is my biggest complaint on DDG.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by ealhad »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #412
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

What's the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don't need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia. I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious player…

LineageOS, and other custom Android distributions without Google services.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by pimeys »

Insanity wrote: post #213
jostondet wrote: post #122

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I'm stuck on deciding what my primary mail provider will be. I do not mind paying a few bucks a month, would anyone have a suggestion? Regarding drive replacement, I will probably host a nextcloud instance.

I'm quite happy using ProtonMail. I don't use email _that_ heavily, so I'm on their free plan and that's just fine for me. (www.protonmail.com)

I've also been using ProtonMail since the beginning of last year and neither a heavy mail user, but need it still. I'm paying for it and using my own domain. Some things to consider:

1) The web UI is probably not very nice and snappy if you use email a lot.

2) No IMAP for Linux (still).

3) If you happen to be like me (a bit of an idiot sometimes) and lock your phone so you don't get access to your authenticator AND you forgot the security keys, all your old emails will be PGP garbage from now on.

4) The Android app is a bit so-so... Bugs happen.

The good parts are it works, doesn't spy on you, encrypts everything client-side and is based in Switzerland outside of US and EU jurisdiction.

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Post by cptskippy »

nathan_long wrote: post #369
swebs wrote: post #320

"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

"OK, no problem. Having Google on my resume means I can get a new job by the end of the week. I'll be sure to spread the word to users and developers alike that you're shady." Let's not pretend that developers are powerless.

Unless you're an H1-B worker in which case it's gets much more complicated.

In my experience, most of the H1-B workers we have are very much Yes Men when it comes to doing what's asked of them. There are also cultural factors that come into play (e.g. never admitting ignorance on a topic, pleasing authority ) and .

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by simplemts »

laumars wrote: post #416
jstanley wrote: post #353

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If the company is asking you to do things that you find ethically untenable, you should leave, even in full knowledge that the company will find a way to do it anyway.

In an ideal world, yes. But people have mortgages, families and other commitments. Some have social anxiety and find job hunting an impossibly scary prospect. Others might suffer from depression. It's all good and well placing generalised ethics on individuals to do the right thing but in those kind of ideal world scenarios you also wouldn't have accountants finding tax loopholes, lawyers perpetuating patent abuse, n…

So by having a mortgage you justify unethical behavior? I fail to see how one creating their OWN problem justifies unethical behavior.

"Be the change you want to see in the world."

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Post by [deleted] »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #393
kryogen1c wrote: post #269

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This is a toothless, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophy that does not solve any problem. I will explain, but first let it be known that I am a scorned Google user. I jumped on board the magic carpet of every Google service as soon as I could and loved it the whole time, but it has become clear to me that Google and my values no longer align. So I'm leaving. However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't so…

> However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't solve anything. In fact, it guarantees that the company will have a higher percentage of people you morally disagree with leading to, by your moral standards and actions, a more evil product. Not necessarily. Thank God Albert Einstein "just quit" as opposed to returning to Germany to influence it from the inside and change it from within. Perhaps that engineer could…

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Post by n42 »

beavis2 wrote: post #245
mike22223333 wrote: post #150

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Google strikes off a right balance between annoying and convenient. It's kicking off all Privacy concerned people, Ad Block people, overopiniated people off it's platform indirectly. Websites get less money from Firefox users per user then Chrome users. If Firefox users make less money, going to future, devs will not optimize for it. If the only remaining Firefox users block Ads and block analytics, I do not think go…

> devs will not optimize of it. Yep. I have been a FF user since.. well, Netscape. Yet, FireFox-specific bugs have always been a lower priority. Because, it's "a bug effecting 100 users" vs "a bug effecting 900 users" When you consider FF users are harder to monetise (admit it, we generally are), you can start saying "a bug effecting ~50 potential customers , vs ~800". *(fortunately, now that IE/Edge is out of the pi…

Websites work best in the browsers that the developers use to build it, and that will be the only way Chrome can fail.

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Post by rasjani »

mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

On Post-GDPR world I find this very surprising. And then again, not.

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Post by codethief »

mattferderer wrote: post #387
jstanley wrote: post #353

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If the company is asking you to do things that you find ethically untenable, you should leave, even in full knowledge that the company will find a way to do it anyway.

You should first ask, can I & others change the company from within. Many people credit a small group of Microsoft employees for getting the company to embrace open source. This group grew from within as I'm told.

> Many people credit a small group of Microsoft employees for getting the company to embrace open source. This group grew from within as I'm told.

I've been wondering how this transition came about. Do you have more information on that (e.g. an article or a blog post that you could refer me to)?

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