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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by CaptainZapp » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:14 PM UTC

Navarr wrote: post #315

Why are we assuming maliciousness? My best guess that Chrome works this way would be due to combining the sign-in cookies with the general cookies of the browser (e.g. 1 cookie store instead of 2). So when you log in to Google, you log in to Chrome - and vice versa. For non-technical users this is a convenience feature, though for many it does come with privacy concerns. Judging by the comments re cookie clearing, th…

Why are we assuming maliciousness?

Because based on their history big tech companies (possibly with the exception of Apple) lost any benefits of a doubt.

When they screw up like that I now assume that it's intentional and unless they run into a massive pr disaster or an EU fine of a couple billions they give exactly zero fucks about their users.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by paulie_a » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:14 PM UTC

nathan_long wrote: post #369

swebs wrote: post #320

"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

"OK, no problem. Having Google on my resume means I can get a new job by the end of the week. I'll be sure to spread the word to users and developers alike that you're shady." Let's not pretend that developers are powerless.

Having Google on your resume is in no way impressive in my opinion. I have reviewed plenty of resumes and been part of the interview process. Being a Google employee just doesn't matter.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by pfortuny » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:15 PM UTC

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

You are right. But in the end some engineer built that feature.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by your-nanny » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:15 PM UTC

yoran wrote: post #333

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #4

Are they trying to promote Firefox or something? Chrome seems to be trying quite hard to annoy people enough to actually uninstall it.

Unfortunately, the average user (I'm picturing my mom) doesn't give two shits about Chrome not deleting Google cookies when clearing data.

it looks like they are deleted. just immediately recreated.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Tistel » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:15 PM UTC

power corrupts, absolute ... yada yada ... cliches etc.

I am trying to stick to duck duck go and a safari/firefox combo. The browsers are fine. But, its hard to give up that !g search. I worked in the ad-tech space in the past. Google's tech is amazing, but, the price we pay for all this free stuff ... scary/creepy.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by nimbius » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:17 PM UTC

not seeing it here, but its worth a mention for those ready to jump ship. Iridium https://iridiumbrowser.de/ is a fork of Chromium that seeks to deprecate the absurdities Google seems racing to introduce into chrome.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by laumars » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:17 PM UTC

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

> Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to engineering/product first phase.

Microsoft were always a marketing first company. Even in the early days they sold BASIC and DOS before they'd even written a line of code. And Windows certainly didn't become the dominant desktop OS through being the best at engineering (in the 80s and 90s they were usually amongst the worst in terms of performance and stability).

Having good engineering and being product focused doesnt mean you'll have a successful product. In fact all too often it takes underhanded stunts to get your neck in front simply because most people are not like us, they're not engineers. So you'd be amazed at how little most people would care about what's happening here (assuming they even understand it in the first place)

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by briandear » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:18 PM UTC

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #231

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

This is simply too naive. We need regulation to stop global tech monopolities shamelessly exploiting their dominant position, be it Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Samsung and so on. I doubt this can be done properly on any other level than national.

Why? Don’t like Google, don’t use it. Pretty simple.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by duxup » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:19 PM UTC

paulie_a wrote: post #402

nathan_long wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"OK, no problem. Having Google on my resume means I can get a new job by the end of the week. I'll be sure to spread the word to users and developers alike that you're shady." Let's not pretend that developers are powerless.

Having Google on your resume is in no way impressive in my opinion. I have reviewed plenty of resumes and been part of the interview process. Being a Google employee just doesn't matter.

Why not?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Ajedi32 » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 1:19 PM UTC

vbernat wrote: post #381

sbr464 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wish Web USB would be more supported in Firefox/safari etc. not sure why Chrome is so far in front there.

This is considered insecure. Firefox devs think that prompting the user for permission does not inform the user enough about the risk. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674718 .

That bug is talking about a custom USB API for Firefox OS.

> Closing as WONTFIX since FxOS is no more

The Web USB API didn't even exist when that bug was first created.