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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by [deleted] »

tetrep wrote: post #355
wruza wrote: post #326

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Putting yourself in a weaker position due to your views doesn't scale and thus doesn't work. For one hero there are ten conformists at the same level of skill, waiting for him/her to leave. While it's brave, it is also pointless. The problem as you state it can be solved only by explicit consensus, being it a law or just a manifesto. Modern privacy has no professional and power-y organization under it, except for few…

you can use the same argument to tell people not to vote. it's not a good one.

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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by onetimemanytime »

jstanley wrote: post #353
swebs wrote: post #320

"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

If the company is asking you to do things that you find ethically untenable, you should leave, even in full knowledge that the company will find a way to do it anyway.

They are lotsa shades of gray and (virtually) every company does things that are somewhat fishy.

But, IMO, Google has gone to black

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

kryogen1c wrote: post #269
braythwayt wrote: post #224

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Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

This is a toothless, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophy that does not solve any problem. I will explain, but first let it be known that I am a scorned Google user. I jumped on board the magic carpet of every Google service as soon as I could and loved it the whole time, but it has become clear to me that Google and my values no longer align. So I'm leaving. However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't so…

> However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't solve anything. In fact, it guarantees that the company will have a higher percentage of people you morally disagree with leading to, by your moral standards and actions, a more evil product.

Not necessarily.

Thank God Albert Einstein "just quit" as opposed to returning to Germany to influence it from the inside and change it from within.

Perhaps that engineer could go on to work for companies that care more about privacy and help them succeed, or explain to others why he left and convince others to as well.

Movements are not collections of popular supermen who do extraordinary things. You make it seem as if, unless you can completely change the course of the company, don't bother. Same as "don't vote your vote doesn't matter."

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by cicero »

gardaani wrote: post #43
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Yep. Google Chrome is not a web browser anymore. It is a portal to Google's services. If you want to use a web browser, then use Firefox.

If I remember correctly, that's what Google said when Chrome was introduced. Browsers at that time did not adequately support their services, so they made their own browser.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by cuban-frisbee »

craftyguy wrote: post #55
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #52

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Not just that but also risk a big fine; "regular" GDPR violations (when warnings are ignored) can be tens of millions, anti-trust fines can be half a billion easily. The EU compensates for tax loopholes via big fines.

The best way to communicate "stop doing stupid shit" to google is not use their services/applications when they do stupid shit. Losing market share/customers is far more impactful than any (currently possible) fines.

You know what, I think I will just do both since both are exceedingly easy to accomplish.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by hennsen »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

I don’t think there’s reasonable hope.

Mainstream people dont need and dont value products being great in every detail.

I don’t know what they need. But as google is still successful with a search engine that used to be great a decade ago because it delivered results for exactly what i was looking for and nothing else, and now is more a „whatever you search, we‘ll serve you some results no matter if words you search really appear there, they seem to be happy being served anything wether it’s what they ordered or not...

For the minority with high demands on products his is difficult because we have to look for new providers again and again after the logic of growth makes companies shift to cater there products to the mainstream... after using us as beta testers and advertisers.

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Post by growse »

radiorental wrote: post #172
orcdork wrote: post #139

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That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

It's not a simple blame game. Whomever controls the product definition rules the roost. E.g. good luck trying to be a developer at Microsoft 10 years ago in Balmer's 'embrace, extend, extinguish' model That is to say, it's organisational dna that dictates who defines the product. Once the 'specs' have been written, hands are tied.

I disagree. Specifications require implementation, and the implementation literally comes out of the engineers' fingers - if none of the engineers agreed to implement something they thought was unethical, then it's mostly irrelevant what the product definition says.

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Post by Djvacto »

swebs wrote: post #352
Djvacto wrote: post #283

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I tried looking up stuff about windows spying on users, and most of what I'm seeing is useless (debunked articles, generally clickbait stuff). Is there anywhere I could look to read more about this if true?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Privacy_and_data_co...

I see, thanks! I've opted out of everything you can already, and don't use Cortana, so all I'm sending is some basic telemetry data it seems.

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Post by aerique »

enterx wrote: post #206
gardaani wrote: post #43

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Yep. Google Chrome is not a web browser anymore. It is a portal to Google's services. If you want to use a web browser, then use Firefox.

if you want to use a web browser - use Brave browser.

Which uses Chromium under the hood adding to the Chrome render engine monoculture.

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Post by jake_the_third »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #243
teddyh wrote: post #235

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IIRC, Firefox did that once , and then apologized. Unlike Google, who keeps doing the same thing all the time.

They just did it again to gain a count of users who turned telemetry off. In general, I see firefox's point that using the system extensions to deliver autouodates and allow them to iterate more quickly. However, it also feels like whenever we see these extensions that they're something shady.

I don't know why you're being downvoted, but what your saying is true.

Firefox activates limited telemetry for folks who turn off the heavy stuff. While your firefox browser shows that no telemetry is taking place, the browser will silently send information about your browser, os, and other information to Mozilla.

Personally, the privacy implications don't concern me as much as a browser that is deliberately lying to and deceiving it's users (though I can certainly see how it can be privacy concern).

If someone wants true and total control over their browsing experience, neither firefox or chrome are a good choice (imo).

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