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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by kamaal »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

>>Basically their own Ballmer era is what Google is entering.

If its just one person, it often easy to fix the problem by eliminating that one person(like Microsoft).

But if an entire cartel is at work in the top layers. Like the political brotherhood, to say. It will be impossible to solve the problem until an eventual IBM like corporation will come to happen. Basically you fire one exec, and the brotherhood will bring one from their golf buddies to replace them, and this process will go on. No one know what's to be done to fix the problem, because whatever new boss you will get will be the same as the old boss.

I'm also fairly sure by now that the 20% spare time project culture/process is fairly dead by now.

No political exec will let some programmer create a project leading to creation of a new threat to their fiefdom.

I'm guessing most of Google's growth will now come only from Acquisitions.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by m-p-3 »

Glad I switched back to Firefox when Quantum came out.

Now I kinda hope Mozilla will make an official addon like Facebook Container but for Google services. We're being tracked too much, and it's time to fight back and making it easy to the average user to do it is the only way to change that.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont...

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Post by zentiggr »

close04 wrote: post #237
nothrabannosir wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it. There are no poor engineers at Google. That is, ironically, the point people are making: if you make that much money doing something so (arguably) distasteful, you deserve scorn. It's in the "you can't have your cake and eat it too" family.

There’s a difference between coming up with the requirement and the “order”, and implementing it because that’s your job. And don’t say they should quit. This isn’t the solution. At some point they will find an engineer to do it anyway. The solution should be applied at the source.

> At some point they will find an engineer to do it anyway.

And at some point when is thoroughly obviously malicious, we can expect/hope/encourage them to lose customers until they collapse.

The rats will move on as well, but at least the more virtuous employees can be elsewhere before the end implosion.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by wruza »

braythwayt wrote: post #337
wruza wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting yourself in a weaker position due to your views doesn't scale and thus doesn't work. For one hero there are ten conformists at the same level of skill, waiting for him/her to leave. While it's brave, it is also pointless. The problem as you state it can be solved only by explicit consensus, being it a law or just a manifesto. Modern privacy has no professional and power-y organization under it, except for few…

If your argument is that they can do more good by staying, fine. I say the exact same thing about staying in Ontario despite the recent election of a wannabe Trump populist. But if you say, “Ontario made this stupid decision,” I can’t tell you, “I didn’t vote for this, I can’t change it, I’m not responsible.” I have to tell you, “It sucks, and as a citizen I bear some of the responsibility, and here’s what I’m doing…

I see your point, but personally believe that we shouldn't dismiss high morals of those who realized to work for misbehaving businesses. It is just impractical to think that these grounds are unbreakable in general, so why care at all. Why not give them vote box instead.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by jstanley »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #274
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

I use DuckDuckGo exclusively and don't feel like my life is worse for it. It really is good enough.

And when you also factor in that you're not helping Google build a profile on you, it's better than Google.

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Post by ipython »

nojvek wrote: post #361
ptero wrote: post #342

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Engineers losing control to money types and bureaucrats is a gradual process. It is not that one day Google strikes out the second word from its unofficial motto ("do not be evil"). Engineers might dislike each small step in that direction, but it is not enough to make them pack up and move (house, family, kids, etc.). Pretty quickly they are tamed by both money people and the bureaucrats -- still appreciated and pai…

I wouldn’t call Microsoft as a company returning control to Engineers and product. I bought a surface pad for my dad. Setting up was a pain, my dad had constant issues where he’d do something and didn’t know how to get out of it. UX was inconsistent. Bing ads everywhere. Yuck! It still very much felt like features were created for someone to get a promo. Google at the moment feels like a ruthless data driven company.…

> Google at the moment feels like a ruthless data driven company. “Our charts show that with this change people use more google services. It invades user’s privacy and pisses off a bunch of HN users but who cares? This will make us a trillion dollar company, and it is working!”

This. A million times. Be prepared for the next step: http://decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

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Post by matz1 »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

Isn't it native to assume all the Engineer oppose to this ? Some, maybe many will be happy to work on this. This is not an illegal thing that is enforced and has severe punishment.

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Post by czechdeveloper »

orcdork wrote: post #139
drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

But are there any moral corporations left? It feels like you can just keep running.
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