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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by braythwayt »

kryogen1c wrote: post #269
braythwayt wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

This is a toothless, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophy that does not solve any problem. I will explain, but first let it be known that I am a scorned Google user. I jumped on board the magic carpet of every Google service as soon as I could and loved it the whole time, but it has become clear to me that Google and my values no longer align. So I'm leaving. However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't so…

To be specific, my words above are:

“If you can’t change your organization, change organizations.”

If the argument is that by staying they can create change, our views are compatible.

If the argument is that “although they may try, they can’t change anything, but they should still stay,” then my argument is that they have chosen to be complicit, and it is appropriate to hold them to account.

Nobody is really telling anyone to quit, but the argument above is that if they don’t quit, they cannot be held accountable. I reject that notion.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Djvacto »

beavis2 wrote: post #118
askmike wrote: post #94

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Can't speak for ux-app but most people on HN are on macs, also a lot of people on linux.

Right. But there's a certain amount of irony that people are ditching Chrome, while still using an OS which literally does spy on you.

I tried looking up stuff about windows spying on users, and most of what I'm seeing is useless (debunked articles, generally clickbait stuff). Is there anywhere I could look to read more about this if true?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by dordoka »

braythwayt wrote: post #224
snarfy wrote: post #195

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They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

I reckon it´s not only money that they give value. Other intangibles might apply (as all family related issues).

I agree that engineers might also have something to say, but we don´t actually have a clue if some of them actually expressed they concerns for this change, unless you have some insight from inside the company that you may not be able to share.

Even if some of them left as you suggest, I´m pretty sure Google wouldn´t have any problem to find some other engineers that would happily implement anything without questions.

Nevertheless, I agree that concerns should be raised by everyone in the org, but the only ones that might lead to an actual change is stock holders/board of directors.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Brakenshire »

torgoguys wrote: post #222

Isn't this an unsurprising, logical consequence of "signing into google"=="signing into chrome"? If you're still signed into Chrome you're going to get those cookies recreated by Chrome immediately. Has anyone tested this behavior if you aren't signed in, or have disabled the google/chrome login equivalence?

Yes, seems like it’s pretty much a technical restatement of how "signing into google"=="signing into chrome" works. It is interesting to see it in this light, however. It’s easier to justify through UI (“It’s just one Google service logging in to another”) than it is when you look at it in a technical or historical light, of what being a browser used to mean.

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Post by zach43 »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #154
zach43 wrote: post #147

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Well, I think you’re paying for the better speed in chrome by sacrificing your privacy. Isn’t that how this all works? You consent to being tracked -> google gets money off of tracking you -> google can pay more engineers to work on chrome and make it faster -> you get more tied into chrome’s performance quirks and ecosystem -> google gets more money by tracking you -> and so on... If that sounds fair to you, then no…

That actually sounds alright to me. But then I have everything in Google Drive, use G-Suitr for everything, buy Pixel phones and Chromebooks.

Hmm this is actually quite interesting...I don’t know anyone IRL who has such deep integration with google services (apart from a few googlers of course).

You seem to be exactly the kind of user that would benefit from chrome’s recent changes.

Is there anything google could do that could make you move away from their services? I can’t imagine that any further anti-privacy actions by google would justify the cost of having to having to switch away from google’s platforms.

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Post by baud147258 »

ux-app wrote: post #62
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

For analytics, we had one here just this week: Simple Analytics

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18024277

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Post by vezycash »

askmike wrote: post #94
beavis2 wrote: post #72

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While still using Windows...

Can't speak for ux-app but most people on HN are on macs, also a lot of people on linux.

I visited HN for years before registering and making my first comment.

Those who leave comments are a small fraction of the total HN traffic.

If you saw the a recent thread which asked people why they stalk HN, you'd understand that many visitors aren't start up guys, programmers or even technical in nature.

In other words, I bet HN's actual traffic log will show mobile devices and Windows as the predominant OS.

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Post by ssijak »

nindalf wrote: post #90
ssijak wrote: post #54

Coincidentaly I switched from Google services a week before this Chrome fiasco. I am happy with the switch for services, but was hard to accept laggy firefox ui on mac or safari without some plugins. This made it 100% easier.

> laggy firefox ui on mac Really? I've been using it for years and I haven't felt a problem. But this could be a bug, and it'd be a good idea to report it.

Closing or moving tabs is sometimes laggy

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by pmlnr »

coldtea wrote: post #135
pmlnr wrote: post #107

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I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, but this is an unreasonable goal. However.... re-decentralization resonates quite well these days when it comes to the web. I wonder what it would take to be re-applies to email.

> I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, It's trivially easy to get blacklisted as spam that way...

Erm, no. Yes, DMARC, SPF, DKIM is needed, with static IP and a properly configured and authenticated mail system, but once that's OK, it's fine.

I've been running my mail server for 10 years now, I got on blacklists 2 times: once due to a worm that got in through PHP, the other was a client's laptop that got a virus and used outlook express to send mail.

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