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Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by notyourday »

another-cuppa wrote: post #63
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #60

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If that was the extent of your drinking, I doubt that was the major factor in your improved health. I would look to the things you consumed while drinking, such as rich full-fat restaurant food in big portions, salty carb-heavy fatty snacks and second-hand smoke. Cutting out alcohol completely is certainly not a bad thing health-wise, but I think it was much more significant that you stopped going out so much.

Nah, I still do eat rich full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food. Trust me, it's the alcohol. The day after drinking used be completely wasted for me. Now every day can be very productive.

With all due respect as I do not know you what so ever, I suggest having a chat with one of the non-PC doctors. Real chat. Like "your time is valuable because you are really good at what you do. Like $500 an hour valueable... This is my lifestyle. Tell me what I'm doing wrong or pat me on a back if I'm doing it all right"

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by sebastos »

negamax wrote: post #99
malvosenior wrote: post #94

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Alcohol was consumed en mass more than it is now. Little kids would regularly drink. Often alcohol was drank instead of water for sanitation reasons. It's been a huge part of nearly every culture for thousands of years.

In that case we need to give up on a previous era bad habit as there’s overwhelming evidence that it’s bad

You seem somewhat unperturbed that the entire crux of your original argument was faulty... maybe time for an update on your priors? Don't mean to sound unfriendly :)

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by notyourday »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #112
another-cuppa wrote: post #63

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Nah, I still do eat rich full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food. Trust me, it's the alcohol. The day after drinking used be completely wasted for me. Now every day can be very productive.

In that case, if it truly wrecked the day after, you were drinking a lot more than just a couple of pints or some wine with dinner, and were probably in denial about it. I can tell the difference, trust me. I've been there myself, and I still go there on occasion, in good company at a concert/festival, when I know I can waste a Saturday/Sunday after. A couple of pints will not do it.

That's not true. The more you drink the more you can drink. If you either gradually or cold turkey quit for a few months to reset, you would be amazed how less alcohol you would need to feel smashed. From my understanding it is basically training your liver and kidneys.

It is also quite funny: anesthesiologists always know who lies on the intake forms based on the answer to alcohol consumption question. The more the drink, the longer it takes to put them under.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by negamax »

sebastos wrote: post #122
negamax wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case we need to give up on a previous era bad habit as there’s overwhelming evidence that it’s bad

You seem somewhat unperturbed that the entire crux of your original argument was faulty... maybe time for an update on your priors? Don't mean to sound unfriendly :)

Unperturbed because I know the endgame on this :). World without alcohol is a better world. The arguments about the past. I can list down counter arguments. But that’s not the point. People often respond with emotions about alcohol consumption. Media brainwashing has done its job well.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by malvosenior »

negamax wrote: post #124
sebastos wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem somewhat unperturbed that the entire crux of your original argument was faulty... maybe time for an update on your priors? Don't mean to sound unfriendly :)

Unperturbed because I know the endgame on this :). World without alcohol is a better world. The arguments about the past. I can list down counter arguments. But that’s not the point. People often respond with emotions about alcohol consumption. Media brainwashing has done its job well.

> World without alcohol is a better world.

Not for me. I truly enjoy a good drink with or without friends. It's possible to drink in moderation and enjoy yourself.

> Media brainwashing has done its job well.

Again, heavy drinking was extremely common well before mass media. I don't think you can pin this particular issue on them.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by dhimes »

akvadrako wrote: post #65
dhimes wrote: post #46

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If you have a watch that can track your sleep cycle, you will see that your deep sleep doesn't start until much later if you consuming alcohol before going to sleep. Maybe that's good.

That seems ridiculous but indeed, we shouldn't make assumptions. We have to measure assumed negative effects, like impaired cognition. Or maybe that's good too.

Agree. It speaks to the broader point that studies in fields like this- with so many degrees of freedom, are hard.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by kardos »

airstrike wrote: post #117
another-cuppa wrote: post #115

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My diet is very well-controlled. I fast for 20 hours every day and have a perfectly balanced intake. But if I drink alcohol I will sleep badly and I will have a bad day tomorrow. Why do people refuse to believe this?

> full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food. > My diet is very well-controlled Pick one

You've posed a false choice, well-controlled quantities of high fat/salt/carb food is not a conundrum

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #118
quotemstr wrote: post #109

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I don't accept the legitimacy of IRB rulings; I hope to see a day when these bodies stop blocking research. Researchers are competent to be ethical on their own. My reading (not just [1], although [1] is a lucid examination) suggests to me that IRBs are net detrimental to research. There's an incentive misalignment that pushes them too far in the "harm" prevention camp and that makes it too difficult to answer scient…

If I am following your logic here, you're saying that because you read a blog post in which a practitioner was surprised at how much more ethically complex it is to conduct scientific research than it is to simply deliver the current state of the art to a patient, you've come to believe that biomedical research should be freed from institutional oversight?

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Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #118
quotemstr wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't accept the legitimacy of IRB rulings; I hope to see a day when these bodies stop blocking research. Researchers are competent to be ethical on their own. My reading (not just [1], although [1] is a lucid examination) suggests to me that IRBs are net detrimental to research. There's an incentive misalignment that pushes them too far in the "harm" prevention camp and that makes it too difficult to answer scient…

If I am following your logic here, you're saying that because you read a blog post in which a practitioner was surprised at how much more ethically complex it is to conduct scientific research than it is to simply deliver the current state of the art to a patient, you've come to believe that biomedical research should be freed from institutional oversight?

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Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by rossdavidh »

another-cuppa wrote: post #47

Obviously I can't say anything about my own longevity, but over the past few years my alcohol consumption has decreased to virtually zero and I've never felt better. I was never a big drinker, but I would semi-regularly go out and drink a few pints of beer or have wine with dinner. I never intended to cut down on alcohol, but my lifestyle changed, I stopped going out so much, and the drinking went with it. I would st…

The USA tried that once, and the results were so horrifically bad that I doubt we will try it again. It resulted in organized crime openly running the cities of Chicago and New York, because they outgunned the cops. It was much like what Columbia was like at the height of their troubles with cocaine druglords.

Now there has been a shift in regards to driving while intoxicated, but that happened about 20 years ago, and while it has continued, it shows no signs of leading to a movement to make alcohol illegal. On the other hand, marijuana legalization is gathering steam lately.

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