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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by md_ »

shawnz wrote: post #110
Twirrim wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't for _now_. Which is no small part of his point. The next step is to automatically turn on sync etc, which is an easier step now people will start to be used to the idea they're automatically signed in to stuff in Chrome. The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. There appears to be absolutely no benefit in turning this on.

> The main thrust though, is that this doesn't actually solve anything for end users that the Google Chrome team says it does. Yes it does, it solves the exact problem described right in the article. Before this change, there would be a seperate log-in process for Chrome versus every other google service (which normally all share your current login status). Now, your login status is shared between every google servic…

If I’m not mistaken, this also ensures that when you sign out of Gmail, you are signed out of Chrome (no?). That seems like a win for user privacy, insofar as it addresses the likely failure mode of mistakenly leaving the browser signed in after signing out of the website.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by djrogers »

joshuamorton wrote: post #52
rhizome wrote: post #30

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Well I went to turn this login thing off and the only way to do it was to click a button under the heading "Sync" that said "Turn Off." But if these things are unrelated, I guess we'll just have to chalk that up to Google's famously shitty product management and design skills.

Sync and log in are two unrelated settings. They were never related (except that you had to be logged in to be able to sync). You could always be logged in and not sync. You just had previously chosen to be logged in and synced. By disabling syncing, you turned off a feature that you previously had to have opted in to.

No, previously if you logged in sync was enabled - TFA and googles own privacy policy explain this quite clearly.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by uglycoyote »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #34
hellofunk wrote: post #22

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I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).

Strange. I almost exclusively use OSX (El Cap) and haven't had performance issues asides from needing to restart the browser once a month or so. Hopefully they get those problems resolved soon, the browser is super quick when it's working right.

I find that I cannot watch a YouTube video on my MacBook in Firefox for more than 10 seconds without the fans coming on at full throttle. This is one of the few reasons that I start up chrome, as strangely I can watch the same video in chrome without performance issues. I haven't had this issue on Firefox on PC

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by [deleted] »

reaperducer wrote: post #95
inferiorhuman wrote: post #3

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Maybe you should ditch Gmail instead?

Maybe you should ditch Gmail instead? I'm thinking about doing that. The single reason I started with GMail was because at the time, it had the best spam filter in the industry. But that was years ago. Has everyone else caught up? Is there another option with equally good spam filtering?

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by sergiotapia »

aphextron wrote: post #2

So I wanted to drop Chrome a while ago, and looked at Chromium. Apparently using the "no sync" version you can no longer even log into Gmail (or any other Google service) on the web. That was definitely the last straw for me losing trust in Google, but there's just no good alternative. I'm not sure where to go from here because it seems pointless to even use Chromium if I can't remove Google from it and still be able…

Go to Brave - it's fantastic.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by callmeal »

heartbreak wrote: post #16
zbrozek wrote: post #9

I engaged with the folks pushing this feature internally when my own browser started enforcing omnidirectional login. One of my specific complaints was that it was an end-run around the user-provided sync passphrase, which nominally prevents Google from hoovering up my logged-out history. They didn't grok my privacy issue. Maybe they were deliberately misunderstanding me. Doesn't matter either way. Now I use Firefox.

This feature doesn’t enable sync. That’s something that members of the Chrome team have been patiently trying to explain to Matthew Green on Twitter for several days now. [0] https://twitter.com/__apf__/status/1043505744144826369?s=21

For now. The next step in the dark pattern is to note the "User confusion that arises when chrome is logged in to the account, but the data is not synced", and automatically turn on sync.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by joshuamorton »

djrogers wrote: post #122
joshuamorton wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sync and log in are two unrelated settings. They were never related (except that you had to be logged in to be able to sync). You could always be logged in and not sync. You just had previously chosen to be logged in and synced. By disabling syncing, you turned off a feature that you previously had to have opted in to.

No, previously if you logged in sync was enabled - TFA and googles own privacy policy explain this quite clearly.

I'm pretty sure you could still turn it off while remaining logged in.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by colanderman »

uglycoyote wrote: post #123
brian-armstrong wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange. I almost exclusively use OSX (El Cap) and haven't had performance issues asides from needing to restart the browser once a month or so. Hopefully they get those problems resolved soon, the browser is super quick when it's working right.

I find that I cannot watch a YouTube video on my MacBook in Firefox for more than 10 seconds without the fans coming on at full throttle. This is one of the few reasons that I start up chrome, as strangely I can watch the same video in chrome without performance issues. I haven't had this issue on Firefox on PC

Disable "Automatic graphics switching" in "Energy Saver" in OS X settings. This fixed this problem for me (which started about 4 months ago).

(I'm on Yosemite.)

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