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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#12
Google is incentivized to do this, they make good money off of it. It’s boring and true. They’ll keep doing stuff like this until it reaches some publicly unacceptable limit.

Until then use browsers like Firefox or Safari where the incentive to be creepy is far smaller.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#13

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Maybe you should ditch Gmail instead?

Well the problem I'm trying to solve is "how to use gmail on chromium without syncing to google" not "how to use email that isn't gmail". I like gmail web mail a lot, and don't have any desire to switch. It seems absurd that my web browser would be incompatible with that.

Firefox, Edge, Safari, pretty much all non-chromium browsers are compatible with gmail.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#14
post #9

I engaged with the folks pushing this feature internally when my own browser started enforcing omnidirectional login. One of my specific complaints was that it was an end-run around the user-provided sync passphrase, which nominally prevents Google from hoovering up my logged-out history. They didn't grok my privacy issue. Maybe they were deliberately misunderstanding me. Doesn't matter either way. Now I use Firefox.

Google's culture breeds internal arrogance and blindness to outside concerns. Arguing with Google people about issues with their products is approximately as effective as arguing with a brick wall.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#15
This + the screwup of hiding ".m." and ".www." substrings in URLs + the public threat of getting rid of URLs entirely = patience wearing very thin. Also, enabling webUSB and webMIDI by default earlier, both of which apparently unneccesarily exposed vulnerabilities makes me wonder who's in charge, marketing or security engineering?

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#16
post #9

I engaged with the folks pushing this feature internally when my own browser started enforcing omnidirectional login. One of my specific complaints was that it was an end-run around the user-provided sync passphrase, which nominally prevents Google from hoovering up my logged-out history. They didn't grok my privacy issue. Maybe they were deliberately misunderstanding me. Doesn't matter either way. Now I use Firefox.

This feature doesn’t enable sync. That’s something that members of the Chrome team have been patiently trying to explain to Matthew Green on Twitter for several days now.

[0] https://twitter.com/__apf__/status/1043505744144826369?s=21

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#17
post #5

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If you're really set on a Chrome-like browser, there's ungoogled chromium. Otherwise, I guess Firefox is the only truly free choice at this point, and even that includes DRM to be able to cope with sites like Netflix. Edit: actually, there should be more browsers that I don't know about because I haven't really looked around anymore since choosing Firefox a decade ago. Is anything as well-supported (in terms of prope…

I'm using Ubuntu's Chromium package and it isn't "un-googled" at all (69.0.3497.81-0ubuntu0.18.04.1). Any Ubuntu users have tips?

Firefox is completely ungoogled once you change the default search engine.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you should ditch Gmail instead?

Well the problem I'm trying to solve is "how to use gmail on chromium without syncing to google" not "how to use email that isn't gmail". I like gmail web mail a lot, and don't have any desire to switch. It seems absurd that my web browser would be incompatible with that.

Would you mind to explain how using gmail is fine but having to log in into chrome is not?

I obviously get the idea of privacy. But using gmail somewhat contradicts it.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#19

Firefox is a truly fantastic browser now. I've been using it again for about 2 years and haven't regretted it at all. There have been a couple of weird feature hiccups but generally Mozilla seems to get things right.

Also a fan. I'm also switching permanently to Firefox after this incident rather than use multiple browsers depending on the purpose.
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