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Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Author here. Thanks everyone for your thoughtful feedback. I intentionally wanted to strike a cooperative tone in putting this story out there. When the largest company in the world features your side hustle in their brand new product, it's an opportunity, not a reason to "lawyer up". You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Would I have preferred attribution and a heads up? Sure. But I'm frankly more i…

I sincerely urge you to follow-up with this story. I would love to see what Apple does in good faith on this one - it would have a real impact on how I perceive them as a company.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#193

I don’t think this is an Apple app. The app info says the publisher is DeskConnect, Inc. The subheading says Apple, but when clicked to see all apps by “Apple”, it only shows this one. Looks shady.

It is a legit Apple app, released alongside iOS 12. Apple bought the app called Workflow which they've made their own, rebranding it to Shortcuts.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#194

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You're right, the big companies are the biggest offenders against this intended use of the web. And that's bad. And they aren't accessing others intellectual property with this. They are building custom tools to display other's intellectual property. Very different.

So Google, Microsoft and Apple who fund and build the web browser you are currently using are against the intended use of the web. I wish more companies would "offend" then.

browser have very explicit rules against this very action by apple.

in your browser, apple.com cannot access the content from jguitar.com

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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(slightly OT)

It is not clear if the author is earning something out of the situation (more traffic I suppose?).

However, it seems to me if Shortcuts really takes off among the average iOS user, there could be a massive business building cloud services exposed via these low-code programming environments.

Killer App for FaaS?

At the same time Microsoft's TouchDevelop tried in the past to bootstrap the lack of apps on Windows Phone, but didn't succeed and had virtually no impact.

I am curious if (and hopeful) Apple will be different here.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#196

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I'm confused. Does Apple prevent you from linking to their website ? Because that's the point here. That the web was built to allow anyone to link to anyone without asking permission.

From the article: "In a nutshell, the shortcut uses the user's input (a chord symbol) to construct a url to a chord search result page on JGuitar.com and then looks for 200x200px chord diagram images on that page and shows them to the user. The rest of the web page isn't shown." This is different from linking. With links you see the whole web page. I haven't used the shortcuts app and don't know how obvious the sourc…

I understand the point but: a link is a link is a link.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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How is this freebooting? Apple isn't rehosting the data from the website.

It's not freebooting, it's more akin to hotlinking. Which is arguably worse - they're using the author's IP and hosting infrastructure without offering sufficient credit or so much as a heads-up. This could quickly make a side project unsustainable, if the owner of a (hypothetical, not this specific) project has limited $ for hosting costs. The author of the project can't make use of the obvious strategy of dropping…

Hotlink sounds a lot like hyperlink. Really it just sounds like people need to protect their content with licenses and "website experiences" with terms if they want to enforce restrictions on how things they host publicly are used. I agree it seems rude that they didnt give the owner any warning, but meh.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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post #194

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So Google, Microsoft and Apple who fund and build the web browser you are currently using are against the intended use of the web. I wish more companies would "offend" then.

browser have very explicit rules against this very action by apple. in your browser, apple.com cannot access the content from jguitar.com

That is not true in several ways. Iframes and cdns work. There are security measures that prevent https connections from embedding http and other content restrictions, but those are for security reasons. People hotlink images, it's a wild web out there

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

#199

There's a lot of misunderstanding here. As someone that has been in a similar situation: 1. It's not Apple, it was Workflows that wrote the tool. 2. It's not an integration, it's an example of how to use Shortcuts. 3. The biggest pain point won't be bandwidth (OP seems to know what they're doing with caching) but fielding user requests/complaints/spam without the upside of the web traffic. iOS 12 has only been up for…

wrong

Well argued.

(which point is wrong?)

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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(looks like ads have been added... never mind)

They've been there for years. You just turned off your ad blocker :)

weird... when I reloaded without content blockers on my phone there weren't any ads, but checking on my big computer I saw them.

I guess that's what I get for assuming.

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