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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by tnorthcutt »

forthefuture wrote: post #139
greeneggs wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those Maps blurbs, like for Malta, do not come from Wikipedia.

But they all used to, which means functionally the only difference is now there isn't a link so I have to make an additional request, in a new tab, directly to Wikipedia for more information (Demographics, Economics, Government, etc).

So, just to be clear:

1. Google Maps used to include a blurb about Malta from Wikipedia, and a link to the Wikipedia page about Malta. 2. They now include a blurb about Malta which is not from Wikipedia, and do not link to the Wikipedia page about Malta. 3. You are upset that they no longer include a link to the Wikipedia page about Malta.

Is this correct? If so, it seems like your frustration is about Google choosing not to include & link to information from Wikipedia, rather than them displaying content from Wikipedia.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dwild »

cwingrav wrote: post #48
dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

Again, this. When you publish work on the Internet, others can link and use it, no problem. For best results, have clear attribution (which they clearly show the link). I think people are too quick to anger here. This guy was already providing all this information and content. Looking at the site, I don't see advertising, so it's not like Apple is going around that. This guy is happy and with a quick addition of a JG…

Are you sure you don't have an adblocker? There's ad over JGuitar, 2 of them actually. I hope he didn't have to add theses ads because of the increase of request.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dwild »

JepZ wrote: post #101
fredley wrote: post #70

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This isn't linking, this is hotlinking : taking unattributed images. If you had some nice images on your site that I'd put on mine, presenting them as my own, while still using your bandwidth to serve them to my users how would you feel about it? What about if I was the richest company on the planet already?

So all this is about is bandwidth and attribution?!? I mean aren't they sending their users to your web page? Other people would be glad if they would just have to pay the hosting costs for an image to get people on their page.

They are showing the image. Did you read the post? There's no attribution, you wouldn't know at first glance it came from his website. Even the shortcut is only called "Guitar Chord Finder" and never mentions his website. You need to edit the shortcut to find it.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by nevi-me »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #103
nevi-me wrote: post #73

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I recently found out that a contractor that won a tender with a government used my website without my consent. They were given my details and asked to reach out to me. They didn't, and instead linked to my website without any attribution. Should I be happy that the government is gaining a benefit from my work, something with commercial value, while I'm not benefiting? If my website was explicitly GNU or licensed unde…

If you put a website online you're explicitly giving the right to link to it. If the government are not allowing use of their IPR then I think you have an argument, unless they're trying to stop linking to their stuff then I don't see the problem.

In South Africa, if you put your website online, you're automatically protected by our Intellectual Property Act under copyright protection. Unless I waive that copyright (which I haven't waived per my TOS on the website), whoever hotlinks to my website or derives financial gain without my consent is violating my rights per my country's Constitution.

I don't see any "explicitly giving the right ..." there. In fact, I explicitly did the opposite.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dwild »

adriand wrote: post #47
huhtenberg wrote: post #29

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Apple essentially repackaged this guy's work, used it to enhance their own product in a way that all but eliminates any need to ever visit his website or even know it exists. Excellent.

Crazy thought, but, what if the primary motivation of the creator of JGuitar has nothing to do with his website, his reputation, etc.? For example, what if his primary motivation is to do something useful for others? What if his primary motivation is just to improve the enjoyment of people who like playing guitar? I agree that Apple should have handled this differently. At the same time, I think we should honour this…

> For example, what if his primary motivation is to do something useful for others? What if his primary motivation is just to improve the enjoyment of people who like playing guitar?

Sure but Apple doesn't essentially have to send him the bill for it, bandwidth isn't cheap and it can grow pretty quickly with that much devices.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by brlewis »

threeseed wrote: post #130
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #99

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You're right and I'm totally on board with that. But that doesn't seem to be how Apple works, if they freely share everything they put on line then, for sure, have at it. If they expect people to pay to access their IPR then they should, without prompting, pay others when they want access to their's.

I'm confused. Does Apple prevent you from linking to their website ? Because that's the point here. That the web was built to allow anyone to link to anyone without asking permission.

From the article: "In a nutshell, the shortcut uses the user's input (a chord symbol) to construct a url to a chord search result page on JGuitar.com and then looks for 200x200px chord diagram images on that page and shows them to the user. The rest of the web page isn't shown."

This is different from linking. With links you see the whole web page. I haven't used the shortcuts app and don't know how obvious the source of the info is. It seems the article author had to dig into the shortcut configuration to find a reference to his site.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dwighttk »

dwighttk wrote: post #93
rrobukef wrote: post #12

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The only reference to his site is hidden behind 3 screens in a URL. All ads are stripped, his brand is stripped. I don't think he must celebrate (though he seems happy).

>All ads are stripped... What ads?

(looks like ads have been added... never mind)

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

nevi-me wrote: post #164
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you put a website online you're explicitly giving the right to link to it. If the government are not allowing use of their IPR then I think you have an argument, unless they're trying to stop linking to their stuff then I don't see the problem.

In South Africa, if you put your website online, you're automatically protected by our Intellectual Property Act under copyright protection. Unless I waive that copyright (which I haven't waived per my TOS on the website), whoever hotlinks to my website or derives financial gain without my consent is violating my rights per my country's Constitution. I don't see any "explicitly giving the right ..." there. In fact, I…

You realise the internet is global? You put up a "free food" sign, put chicken on the brai and now you want to stop people from helping themselves to the chicken.

Take the website off the internet if you don't want to share it.

/Charlie-bit-my-finger

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