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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

briandear wrote: post #135

So just a few days ago a good number of HNers were lamenting copyrights. One commenter even going so far as to say that he never respects copyright. Other suggesting that copyright owners should lose copyright when they’ve made enough money. Just ridiculous nonsense. And today, because the “bad guy” was Apple, suddenly everyone cares about copyright. A forum where people have no problem discussing torrents which are…

Most actual complaints I see here are about moral rights. These are adjacent to copyright, but represent a distinct set of concerns related to the author's reputation rather than exploitation of the work per se.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by whatshisface »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #108
whatshisface wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia should be allowed to ask for donations inside of the little Google snippets. Doesn't that sound fair?

Wikipedia is released under creative commons. That is literally the worst example you could have picked.

Well, what you can do and what's fair and friendly are not always the same thing. For example, although I have to pay taxes to the government but not to charities, I may use a charity as an example of somewhere to give money to.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by briandear »

torarnv wrote: post #55
catoc wrote: post #51

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Why call a lawyer? The OP put something on the internet with the intention for others to use it. Apple used it. Is there anything on his site (terms,"rules") that indicate what Apple is doing is considered non-acceptable use? Shouldn't we be happy the world can still work like this - bottom-up implementation with presumably good intentions - instead of having to talk to lawyers before every tiny step we take? We're t…

Did he put up a public API? From the post it looks like the shortcut is constructing a search result url, and then scraping the photo out of that page.

Yes, it’s called a “URL.”

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by briandear »

onion2k wrote: post #52
fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer. That's because you're a nice person. I'd return images that were wrong and let Apple Support deal with users thinking their new feature was broken.

Childish.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dazmax »

threeseed wrote: post #133
SyneRyder wrote: post #87

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> When you publish something on the internet, people can link to it. That's how the internet works. I think one issue is that Apple themselves prohibit it. From their App Store Review Guidelines, section 5.2.2 [1]: "5.2.2 Third Party Sites/Services: If your app uses, accesses, monetizes access to, or displays content from a third party service, ensure that you are specifically permitted to do so under the service’s t…

Being a little disingenuous there. Scraping != Linking. Scraping involves stealing and reusing content from another party. Linking does not.

This shortcut could be seen as scraping the website, since it's just pulling out one image

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by jacobush »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #122
christoph wrote: post #115

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Firstly, I do understand why people think this is Apple being a bit scummy, I really do. However, I do want to say exactly what you have. When I reached the bottom of the article I was expecting to see a rant/moan about how hard done by he was by "big evil corporation" and wanted some sort of compensation. I was stunned he invited Apple to reach out, so together they could make it better for everyone. Truly refreshin…

Yes. Everyone should donate their resources and work to megacorps to make the world better.

They should patent it.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by rhplus »

nathancahill wrote: post #112

There's a lot of misunderstanding here. As someone that has been in a similar situation: 1. It's not Apple, it was Workflows that wrote the tool. 2. It's not an integration, it's an example of how to use Shortcuts. 3. The biggest pain point won't be bandwidth (OP seems to know what they're doing with caching) but fielding user requests/complaints/spam without the upside of the web traffic. iOS 12 has only been up for…

1. It's not Apple, it was Workflows that wrote the tool... I doubt Apple knows about it.

The app is "developed by Apple". They bought Workflow last year. Nothing in the gallery view suggests that this shortcut is provided by a third-party.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by rchaud »

tiborsaas wrote: post #78
slivym wrote: post #58

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The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

The internet is about freebooting until you hit a paywall. Wikipedia is a very bad example, they literally put a free to copy license on their content.

> The internet is about freebooting until you hit a paywall.

Just because something doesn't have a paywall doesn't mean the content creator intends for you to take his/her work with zero attribution. That's why those "Buy me a coffee"/"Donate to my Patreon" buttons exist. It's a way for the user to consume the information for free up front but have the option to support the creator.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by justtopost »

planb wrote: post #19

Apple did not create this. It originates in the "Workflow Gallery", which Apple rebranded when taking over the service. I think the question is: Are these downloadable workflows an integral part of the Apple software or are they just merely "Sample Code"? In this case the gallery is curated only by Apple (I think), but if we go down this path, what prevents DCMA takedown requests for GitHub repos that contain sample…

If apple cannot make the products they aquire conform to their own ecosystem, how can they expect users to?
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