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Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by vitalique »

wink wrote: post #98
blfr wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, ProtonMail is about 150% the price of G Suite with weird limits on things like number of aliases or domains. And while I understand that the selling point is privacy, it's not that expensive to maintain one more record in your database while not violating your users' privacy. OTOH, €8/mo is peanuts anyway.

I don't know, I pay about 10 EUR per month for my mail server, which services N users. So then it's suddenly not peanuts anymore. So yeah, I probably don't fall into the normal category here, a handful of friends & family users and a ton of domains. Protonmail/Fastmail would cost me at least 40 EUR per month, and that's a rough estimate, could easily be 80.

Can you describe your setup please? I've been thinking about moving the family members off Gmail a lot lately.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by enz »

martincmartin wrote: post #81
krn wrote: post #63

ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…

What's a better alternative?

I use Gandi's email service because they offer you a mailbox when you buy a domain from them (and you use your domain of course). It is based in France (9 eyes).

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#103

Post by krn »

protonmail wrote: post #100
krn wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have previously responded to these claims here: And I already responded to your denial here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17789334 You are a shady company at best.

A lot of inaccuracies in that reply. PIA troll (maybe also you, the same person, given the similarities) also made a nearly identical reply in the Reddit thread we linked previously, which we also replied to: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

I will just leave it here, so that we would be done with this "PIA trolls" conspiracy theory for once and for all:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17775554

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#104

Post by firic »

protonmail wrote: post #95
krn wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, that Tesonet operates both, NordVPN and ProtonVPN, but it's not true, that Tesonet has any ownership of ProtonMail, as far as I'm aware of. ProtonVPN seems to be a partnership between ProtonMail and Tesonet.

No, that is not correct, and for some reason, you post this misinformation in every single topic about ProtonMail. It seems likely you are affiliated with the people who are putting out these false statements in the first place. We have previously responded to these claims here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

Hmm, looks like you locked that thread. That looks suspiciously like there was some information you didn't want to get out. After all, trolls spamming will just get downvoted.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#105

Post by cevn »

rossdavidh wrote: post #21

So, just curious, how does filtering out spam work, if the email provider does not have access to the contents? Not saying it's not possible, but I wonder if any current users of ProtonMail could comment on this? If you use ProtonMail, are you mostly just on your own in regards to spam filtering?

There are some useless spam filters. I have received two phishers posing as protonmail customer support. On the other hand it seems like i haven't received nearly as much spam as my gmail gets.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by ornel »

mdhen wrote: post #7

Protonmail would be great with some usability and feature improvements. Right now it has limited support for imap, smtp, pop3. You're basically limited to the biggest desktop clients. The desktop web client is okay. But the biggest drawback right now that I can see, is mobile. Their app does not support threaded conversations or any of the newer features that we've come to expect because of Gmail. You also can't use…

I just signed up for the Linux trial version of the ProtonMail bridge and installed it on my Mint box. Now I get mail via IMAP on Thunderbird totally transparently and couldn't be happier. My only complaint right now is the inability to forward mail automatically (which I understand, they can't decrypt my mail in order to forward it), and also that I can't sign up my wife on my custom domain without getting a significantly more expensive business plan, but otherwise I'm very happy and getting closer to ditching Gmail altogether.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#107

Post by e12e »

rootusrootus wrote: post #8

There are two reasons I'm still with Google for mail at this point: Inertia, and cost. The former is pretty easy to understand. The latter has more to do with the fact that I have a private domain for our family and I've been using Google Apps since the days when it was free. If I want to convert to another service like ProtonMail then I'm either going to tell a bunch of people in my family to pay up (with all the ac…

Assuming you're talking about 10 users, 50/usd/year/head does seem a bit steep. It's what you'd pay fastmail or user for a custom domain.

I'm a bit surprised fastmail doesn't appear to have a group account that's at least a little cheaper.

You can get less (in way of email service) for much less from something like:

https://www.hetzner.com/webhosting/level-1

That's less than 30/year for 100 accounts, custom domain, imap/pop/smtp (just 5gb storage shared though).

Now, I'm happy with hetzner as a dedicated hw host - but there's a bit of a bad neighbour effect - and you obviously get less for 30/year than for 500/year...

But seems strange that fastmail doesn't have something in between for family accounts. Maybe they do if you shoot them a mail?

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#108

Post by e12e »

sitepodmatt wrote: post #99
jolmg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this what being a hipster feels like? I hope not. I hope everyone, not just "hipsters", would have such strong preference for standard, time-proven, open protocols like IMAP and SMTP.

IMAP is far too chatty, latency kills performance due to numerous round trips. It might be a standard, it might be open, but it's far from optimal. New standards will replace it (hopefully) https://jmap.io/ . FTP has same problem. Telnet was once a standard, time-proven, open protocols - does anyone have preference for that? You can polish a turd by wrapping it in secure socket (SMTP over TLS etc..), but doesn't addr…

AFAIK fastmail is driving jmap as a new standard - because they like standards - but like everyone that works with imap implementation for any length of time - don't like imap very much. (That's just an observation based on imap server and client implementations).

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#109

Post by [deleted] »

firic wrote: post #104
protonmail wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that is not correct, and for some reason, you post this misinformation in every single topic about ProtonMail. It seems likely you are affiliated with the people who are putting out these false statements in the first place. We have previously responded to these claims here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

Hmm, looks like you locked that thread. That looks suspiciously like there was some information you didn't want to get out. After all, trolls spamming will just get downvoted.

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Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#110

Post by randie63 »

I have switched to mail.tutanota.com and I love it. All the features I need are there. Super fast backend (really instand email delivery). The all new webapp is nice (only the phone UX can be improved a bit)
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