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Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by vkou »

nickik wrote: post #130
Asparagirl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I saw a tweet the other day that essentially said that the very worst thing you could do to Elon Musk would be to lock him in a comfortable conference room with plenty of food and water and excellent WiFi signal...and his phone. I can think of a political figure for whom this would be true, too.

The problem I have with statments like this is that is twitter is often awesome as well. Getting great updates about technologies in SpaceX, Tesla or Boring. He also answers questions of podcasters and journalists.

He also goes on personal crusades against members of the press, or just some random people that have said something mean, but true about him. (Vern Unsworth)

He is very open to fans who give him good press, but closes up, and dismisses boring questions from haters and non-believers and shorts.

Now, there is certainly a bit of a track record with a recent American presidents for this sort of thing. I'm not sure you want to double-down on that.

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Post by InitialLastName »

frozen11b wrote: post #152
monocasa wrote: post #120

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Ted Cruz was born in Canada. The naturalization requirement is a lot looser than you might think.

Requirements for the Presedent are diffrent than that of a Senator. Place of birth does not matter for the House or Senate. Only need to be a US citizen. For the President it's a "higher standard" you must be a native born Citizen.

Ted Cruz has run for president in the past.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President"

Natural born means "citizen at birth", not "born in the US"> One can also be a citizen at birth (under certain circumstances) by having parent(s) who are U.S. citizens. Ted Cruz unequivocably meets this standard.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_Stat...

Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by djsumdog »

curtis wrote: post #157
cortesoft wrote: post #139

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He was born a US citizen though. The requirement isn't that you are born on US soil, but that you are born a US citizen. John McCain was born in Panama.

John McCain's citizenship was more complicated than most people realize. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Jo... .

huh. I never realized this. Thanks for the link.

Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by rootusrootus »

reggieband wrote: post #176

I'm starting to get conspiratorially minded about all of this. It began when I couldn't understand the seeming coordination of the attacks against the Uber CEO. I mean, he seemed like the same kind of garden variety psychopath I expect in the role of CEO - why were there so many hit pieces about him specifically? Now Musk is a new target and somehow everyone is cheering for him to fail. Seems like if you get into com…

Or, you know, it could be something simple and not a conspiracy at all. If Musk didn't attack every last person who says anything critical about him, even calling one of them a pedo in a public forum, there wouldn't be nearly as much animosity towards him. He has 100% brought this down on himself, he can not blame anyone else.

The regular auto industry is likely to crush Tesla within a few years, regardless of how successful they are with the Model 3. They don't need to take shots at the CEO to achieve that, they're going to do it through bringing their own competing products to market and leveraging their own hard-won experience building shitloads of cars.

Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by whatok »

bduerst wrote: post #128
riphay wrote: post #95

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Long is short-hand for anyone benefiting from the price of the stock rising. This includes people who own the stock outright, have bought on credit, own call options, have sold put options, etc.

Yeah, long is slang for long term investor: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/long.asp

That's definitely not standard industry convention. Previous poster's interpretation is correct.

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Post by keelhaule »

reggieband wrote: post #176

I'm starting to get conspiratorially minded about all of this. It began when I couldn't understand the seeming coordination of the attacks against the Uber CEO. I mean, he seemed like the same kind of garden variety psychopath I expect in the role of CEO - why were there so many hit pieces about him specifically? Now Musk is a new target and somehow everyone is cheering for him to fail. Seems like if you get into com…

especially when the article mentions :p "who were granted anonymity to discuss a confidential criminal probe" press reliability at its finest

Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by monocasa »

cortesoft wrote: post #139
monocasa wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. The naturalization requirement is a lot looser than you might think.

He was born a US citizen though. The requirement isn't that you are born on US soil, but that you are born a US citizen. John McCain was born in Panama.

Can you find case law that says that?

Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by vkou »

Asparagirl wrote: post #158
whatok wrote: post #29

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In addition to what other replies have said, Elon also has pledged some of his stock in order to secure personal loans. He will have to fund margin calls or sell his stock if the stock falls below a certain price.

THIS. Elon is the largest Tesla stockholder, but he has taken out huge loans against that stock. If the stock price of TSLA falls below about $230/share (there is some confusion about the exact price, but it's widely believed to be somewhere around there) his stock could all be sold to cover the loan, which would suddenly dump the stock price even further, or he could be forced to post more of his stock as collateral…

What should we believe? This, or Elon claiming that shorts are evil, and are done by bad people who hate the climate?

Re: Tesla Faces U.S. Criminal Probe Over Musk Statements

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Post by geezerjay »

hyperbole wrote: post #143
jokoon wrote: post #127

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Aside from the fact that he's not born in the US, he doesn't seem like a good orator.

"isn't a good orator"... Given that Trump is in office that doesn't seem to be a deal breaker

Trump is far from being a poet but he is a good orator and in the very least an effective communicator.

It should be noted that a common aspect to practically all US presidential candidates is that they all dumb down their communication style when running election campaigns, as that's a key aspect of all winning candidacies.

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