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Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by krn »

4d66ba06 wrote: post #82
krn wrote: post #63

ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…

I hadn't seen that. I'll need to look into things more after reading this: http://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-...

It's true, that Tesonet operates both, NordVPN and ProtonVPN, but it's not true, that Tesonet has any ownership of ProtonMail, as far as I'm aware of. ProtonVPN seems to be a partnership between ProtonMail and Tesonet.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by krn »

martincmartin wrote: post #81
krn wrote: post #63

ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…

What's a better alternative?

Mailbox.org and Posteo.de are currently the best ranked privacy-focused email providers[1]. Both are based in Berlin, and are extremely low-profile. Mailbox.org supports custom domains, Posteo.de doesn't.

[1] https://dismail.de/serverlist.html

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by a012 »

krn wrote: post #63

ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…

Everytime there's Protonmail link, there's "Protonmail is a joke" comment. I sense a circlejerk or some kind of anti-vax provocation.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#95

Post by protonmail »

krn wrote: post #91
4d66ba06 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't seen that. I'll need to look into things more after reading this: http://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-...

It's true, that Tesonet operates both, NordVPN and ProtonVPN, but it's not true, that Tesonet has any ownership of ProtonMail, as far as I'm aware of. ProtonVPN seems to be a partnership between ProtonMail and Tesonet.

No, that is not correct, and for some reason, you post this misinformation in every single topic about ProtonMail. It seems likely you are affiliated with the people who are putting out these false statements in the first place.

We have previously responded to these claims here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by krn »

protonmail wrote: post #95
krn wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, that Tesonet operates both, NordVPN and ProtonVPN, but it's not true, that Tesonet has any ownership of ProtonMail, as far as I'm aware of. ProtonVPN seems to be a partnership between ProtonMail and Tesonet.

No, that is not correct, and for some reason, you post this misinformation in every single topic about ProtonMail. It seems likely you are affiliated with the people who are putting out these false statements in the first place. We have previously responded to these claims here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

> We have previously responded to these claims here:

And I already responded to your denial here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17789334

You are a shady company at best.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#97

Post by steampunkskull »

4d66ba06 wrote: post #82
krn wrote: post #63

ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…

I hadn't seen that. I'll need to look into things more after reading this: http://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-...

Well, there’s another point of view. Firstly, the data mining claims are just claims and speculations, because they were never proved. Secondly, this whole thing can be seen as an extensive smearing campaign from the competitors, you can read more here for example https://vpnpro.com/blog/confusion-in-the-vpn-industry-is-nor.... So one could argue that it also may apply to ProtonMail since they own ProtonVPN or vice versa. The oldest trick in the book: defame opponents for your own personal gain. Regarding the Tesonet and its ownership of NordVPN and ProtonVPN, well these are only speculations too.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by wink »

blfr wrote: post #50
russdpale wrote: post #38

I found proton to be a bit expensive, I really like tutanota.com (meaning secure note in spanish). Only about $1 per month and doesnt come with things I dont need like a VPN. Plus, believe it or not, employers raise the eye at the .io, in a good way like what they did when gmail.com was new and cool.

Yeah, ProtonMail is about 150% the price of G Suite with weird limits on things like number of aliases or domains. And while I understand that the selling point is privacy, it's not that expensive to maintain one more record in your database while not violating your users' privacy. OTOH, €8/mo is peanuts anyway.

I don't know, I pay about 10 EUR per month for my mail server, which services N users. So then it's suddenly not peanuts anymore.

So yeah, I probably don't fall into the normal category here, a handful of friends & family users and a ton of domains. Protonmail/Fastmail would cost me at least 40 EUR per month, and that's a rough estimate, could easily be 80.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

#99

Post by sitepodmatt »

jolmg wrote: post #45
LeoPanthera wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I'm unwilling to use a mail provider that does not offer standard IMAP and SMTP. So I use Fastmail. (And I've been using them since 2002. Is this what being a hipster feels like?)

> Is this what being a hipster feels like? I hope not. I hope everyone, not just "hipsters", would have such strong preference for standard, time-proven, open protocols like IMAP and SMTP.

IMAP is far too chatty, latency kills performance due to numerous round trips. It might be a standard, it might be open, but it's far from optimal. New standards will replace it (hopefully) https://jmap.io/.

FTP has same problem. Telnet was once a standard, time-proven, open protocols - does anyone have preference for that?

You can polish a turd by wrapping it in secure socket (SMTP over TLS etc..), but doesn't address the underlying issues with protocols that were designed for a day long passed.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by protonmail »

krn wrote: post #96
protonmail wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that is not correct, and for some reason, you post this misinformation in every single topic about ProtonMail. It seems likely you are affiliated with the people who are putting out these false statements in the first place. We have previously responded to these claims here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

> We have previously responded to these claims here: And I already responded to your denial here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17789334 You are a shady company at best.

A lot of inaccuracies in that reply. PIA troll (maybe also you, the same person, given the similarities) also made a nearly identical reply in the Reddit thread we linked previously, which we also replied to: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...
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