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Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by r00fus »

craftyguy wrote: post #328
kbos87 wrote: post #20

“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.

> on-device intelligence The fuck does that have to do with privacy? That's an incredible vague thing they are saying. Does it decide what is/isn't 'private' information for sharing? It just seems way out of context, and odd, to be mentioning in the same sentence.

Well, if you need to share private information to eg Facebook's cloud infrastructure just to gain their AI intelligence then you've given up your information and arguably privacy.

By providing more On-device intelligence Apple believes you may prevent or reduce that initial egress of data outside your hardware where it's stored encrypted.

Feel free to argue the point but no need for the histrionics.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by brandonjm »

craftyguy wrote: post #329
Jnr wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had used Android Nexus devices starting from Nexus S up to 6P and finally switched to iPhone 8 this year. Android has better UX and has some nice features but there are no real privacy settings, Android apps have no proper inspection before being released on the market and too frequently some 0day RCE exploits are released publicly for Android. Privacy features were the biggest reason I switched and even though it…

> Android apps have no proper inspection before being released on the market Apple isn't all that much better.[0] Moral of the story is, you shouldn't expect app store maintainers (google, apple, fdroid, whatever) to be effective at protecting you. The task is almost certainly automated, and error-prone, or dependent upon a small group, and error-prone. 0. https://gizmodo.com/top-apple-mac-app-secretly-sends-your-br.…

Apple is better overall for app quality because they do actually check apps have a purpose and aren't pretending to be something else. I have watched colleagues get apps approved and it is probably automated to a degree then definitely reviewed by a human if anything suspicious comes up. They were using the camera with explicit permission from the user, but the user couldn't see the camera feed, so Apple asked that an indicator be added whenever it was actively in use.

Some things may slip through the cracks, but the Google Play store allows almost anything to be published with little to no checks at all.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by r00fus »

headsoup wrote: post #316
lisper wrote: post #305

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> Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right But not the ability to run software not approved by Apple.

Apple also believe providing them with significant margins is also a fundamental human right. I think this push is because other differentiators (that justify their 'premium' price) are running out...

Apple's massive profit share notwithstanding.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by brandonjm »

r00fus wrote: post #331
craftyguy wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on-device intelligence The fuck does that have to do with privacy? That's an incredible vague thing they are saying. Does it decide what is/isn't 'private' information for sharing? It just seems way out of context, and odd, to be mentioning in the same sentence.

Well, if you need to share private information to eg Facebook's cloud infrastructure just to gain their AI intelligence then you've given up your information and arguably privacy. By providing more On-device intelligence Apple believes you may prevent or reduce that initial egress of data outside your hardware where it's stored encrypted. Feel free to argue the point but no need for the histrionics.

A good example is the image tagging in Photos which has been there for quite a while, if you search for a term in your images folder it'll show you images they classified with that term. This applies regardless of if you are using iCloud or not as the classification is performed locally, keeping your images on your device as opposed to sending them off to be classified on a server somewhere.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by bschwindHN »

retromario wrote: post #242

"On devices without 3D Touch, touch and hold the keyboard Space bar to turn your keyboard into a trackpad" This is subtle but huge. One of the main reasons to get a phone with 3D touch is/was the ability to easily move your cursor when typing. This makes the XR model (which lacks 3D touch) a lot more enticing.

I GBoard had a proper version of this, theirs only allows horizontal scrolling

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by nikofeyn »

clairity wrote: post #295
Jnr wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had used Android Nexus devices starting from Nexus S up to 6P and finally switched to iPhone 8 this year. Android has better UX and has some nice features but there are no real privacy settings, Android apps have no proper inspection before being released on the market and too frequently some 0day RCE exploits are released publicly for Android. Privacy features were the biggest reason I switched and even though it…

> "Android has better UX..." ruhr? i have both an android and an ios phone, and i'm comparatively amazed at how bone-headed android UX can be. it's also a hot bed of paralysis-of-choice (in both apps and in settings/configuration). sure, ios has issues here and there, but (to me) ios is generally more intuitive (==better UX).

you didn't exactly give any counterexamples. yes, android's settings menus have a lot and are relatively poorly organized, but so are ios settings.

but in terms of apps, i find android much more intuitive than ios. on android, there is basically a universal back button, in position and in behavior, that always seems to just work. not so on ios, where i am constantly wondering how do i go backwards from where i'm at. the heavy gesture language on ios is very non-intuitive. for example, closing apps. on android, there is a two button press to close all apps or just a one button press plus swipe to close a single app. or there's a double-tap to return to the previous app immediately. on ios, it's a weird swipe up and right, then a ridiculously long hold, and then a one by one swipe. on lg android phones at least, there is serious multitasking. so i can have youtube playing in the top or bottom of the screen and then be browsing the web or on some other app in the other half. this is really, really useful. not to mention android can more frequently have an overlay of apps, such as video chat or youtube in a picture in picture type of situation. android's clip tray is also very useful, especially when composing e-mails that contain copied information from multiple places. on ios, i am constantly annoyed by editing the address bar. the tap, then wait, and then hit the little x is a constant annoyance because there is a mandatory wait after the first tap, and it's very finicky, as well as the little x.

yes, ios is very clean, but that doesn't mean it has good ux. i am constantly befuddled by ios design choices in how to do something. and the gesture language is extremely non-intuitive. the gestures on android or far more nature and less overbearing.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by LMYahooTFY »

baddox wrote: post #258
beerlord wrote: post #100

Its impressive that Apple is still supporting the iPhone 5S - a device released in 2013. By contrast Google's Nexus 5 flagship Android phone, also released in 2013, received its last major updated in 2015. 5 years of software updates (and probably more to come) vs 2 years - that's why I switched from Android to iPhone.

That's why I always chuckle when people accuse Apple of planned obsolescence. I'm sure Apple would prefer that you update your iPhone every year, but relative to all other Android flagships I'm aware of, 5 years of OS updates is massive .

I'm not sure how what you say negates the possibility that planned obsolescence is part of Apple's business?

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by garfieldnate »

I'm glad to see that Apple Books got some love. I was so sad when I updated to a newer iOS and Apple Books no longer had a way to find uncategorized books. All my books just would just get crammed together into one huge bookshelf and I'd have no way knowing which were already placed on a proper bookshelf.

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by thestephen »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #330
gpickett00 wrote: post #235

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That's really cool. I'm looking forward to more sites implementing this. Imagine if every Amazon product had this.

... or every IKEA product!

Although not _every_ product, such a thing exists! https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ikea-place/id1279244498?mt=8

Re: iOS 12 released

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Post by sneak »

djrogers wrote: post #301
mtgx wrote: post #224

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Yeah but even if they use e2e, which btw was found to be flawed at the protocol design level by prof. Matthew Greene and his team, they also automatically back-up the messages to iCloud with no way to disable that without disabling the whole of icloud. It would sure be nice if they changed that.

This is categorically and demonstrably false. Backing up to iCloud is disabled by default, as is Messages in iCloud. Either can be enabled or disabled as desired with no ill effect on your device or the rest of iCloud usage.

iCloud backup is on by default.
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