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I think that most workplaces you wont get 4-5 hours of useful work done on average.
As in lower or higher?
Lower getting 4 or 5 hours is the exception in my experience.
Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
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Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
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Some work doesn't happen any faster despite worker productivity. The 40 hour work week isn't determined by the output, but rather by the income the worker receives. People are free to work 15-18 hours a week, but they don't.
>People are free to work 15-18 hours a week, but they don't. I'm forced to work 40 hours per week no matter what I'm getting paid or I get fired, not sure how this is a 'choice'.
Exactly my point. You make the choice to engage at a job that doesn't allow flexibility. There's more than one job out there.
Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some work doesn't happen any faster despite worker productivity. The 40 hour work week isn't determined by the output, but rather by the income the worker receives. People are free to work 15-18 hours a week, but they don't.
>People are free to work 15-18 hours a week, but they don't. Not if you live in the US and want health insurance.
There's another supporting argument to my point.
Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
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In my business, if time is just occupied by a worker, they loose a job. Their job depends on them doing something that pays for their income.
Then they are probably doing a great if slightly panicked job of pretending to be "doing something" (as in "don't just sit there, do something!!") every hour of the workday. Because their rents and ramen depend on convincing some guy who grumps at people on news.ycombinator.com that a task which will naturally have surges and lulls consists of continuous machine-like effort.
They can't pretend to produce the final product in my shed manufacturing business. Their rents and ramen depends on them filling orders that customers paid for, not the grump who retorts to nitpickers on HN.
Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
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> but some people are not in a position to quit/negotiate and have to put up with asshole-bosses all the time. Everyone is in a position to quit/negotiate. People who tell themselves they aren't are just living in a cage they keep themselves in. Have some initiative and make a positive lifestyle change!
You can negotiate yourself onto the street, I suppose the fresh air could be considered a positive life change.
A fresh perspective opens up opportunities.
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> but some people are not in a position to quit/negotiate and have to put up with asshole-bosses all the time. Everyone is in a position to quit/negotiate. People who tell themselves they aren't are just living in a cage they keep themselves in. Have some initiative and make a positive lifestyle change!
Really? How are they going to afford to do that?
Sometimes they should ask how they could afford not to.
Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
#168Those are all advantages for workers. What are the advantages for businesses?
It's interesting that people are not considering the business point of view... I read some people mentioning about working 10-hours a day and work from Monday to Thursday. If I was a business owner I wouldn't allow that. I would rather offer 5~6 hours work per day than allow him to work more for 4 days. In my field of work (engineering) as a regular worker, I see people working 8 hours but they are not 8 hours produc…
Unfortunately most management wont understand that developers can only be productive for 5-6 hours. They often spend most of their time in meetings and will sometimes have 10-12 hour days doing this. They therefore think everyone should work 10+ hours and dont understand that most people that write code can't work these sorts of hours and be productive for it all
Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
#169I'm surprised we haven't seen more of the mixed compromise: Monday - Thursday: 10 hour days Friday - Monday: 4 day weekend Tuesday - Friday: 10 hour days Saturday - Sunday: 2 day weekend and then it repeats. Same hours worked overall. Work longer days, but get 4 day weekends every other week. The people I've known who've had this setup would generally work 6am-4pm.
My strong impression is that this is a waste of time. You can keep people in their seats for 10 hours, I guess, but you're not going to consistently get 10 hours of productivity. If we want to give people an extra day off -- and I think we should! -- then we should just do it. You can't really make up the time somewhere else.
> You can keep people in their seats for 10 hours, I guess, but you're not going to consistently get 10 hours of productivity
I feel the same about 8 hours
Re: Every Weekend Should Be a 3-Day Weekend (2015)
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I don't get this mentality at all. The number one thing I wish I had was more of in life was quality daytime hours to spend with my family. It's why I have kids. I've been spoiled by paternity leave for our new little one, and I don't know how I'll cope with having to go back to work.
People and their needs are different is that so difficult?
Nah. Having kids is a choice. If you're going to view/treat them as a burden, just don't do it.