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Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by fooqux » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:10 PM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #21

So, just curious, how does filtering out spam work, if the email provider does not have access to the contents? Not saying it's not possible, but I wonder if any current users of ProtonMail could comment on this? If you use ProtonMail, are you mostly just on your own in regards to spam filtering?

When ProtonMail's mail handler gets an email from mail.foo.com it's not coming in encrypted with the user's ProtonMail key. They have full access to the contents at that point and simple things like spam assassin would work, along with the usual DKIM/SPF checks.

This is for external mail only though. Presumably they don't have a bad problem with internal users sending mail to other internal users. I'm guessing any that did would get found quickly via reporting or heuristics.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by paulcarroty » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM UTC

Hoefner wrote: post #34

rootusrootus wrote: post #8

There are two reasons I'm still with Google for mail at this point: Inertia, and cost. The former is pretty easy to understand. The latter has more to do with the fact that I have a private domain for our family and I've been using Google Apps since the days when it was free. If I want to convert to another service like ProtonMail then I'm either going to tell a bunch of people in my family to pay up (with all the ac…

Check out https://connect.yandex.com

Check out https://KGB.com

[irony]

Surprised, but someone use this domain for "independent provider of enhanced information services" :)

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by jolmg » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM UTC

russdpale wrote: post #38

I found proton to be a bit expensive, I really like tutanota.com (meaning secure note in spanish). Only about $1 per month and doesnt come with things I dont need like a VPN. Plus, believe it or not, employers raise the eye at the .io, in a good way like what they did when gmail.com was new and cool.

> tutanota.com (meaning secure note in spanish).

You mean Latin[1]. While "nota" is "note" in Spanish, "tuta" is not a word.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutanota#History

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by GW150914 » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #8

There are two reasons I'm still with Google for mail at this point: Inertia, and cost. The former is pretty easy to understand. The latter has more to do with the fact that I have a private domain for our family and I've been using Google Apps since the days when it was free. If I want to convert to another service like ProtonMail then I'm either going to tell a bunch of people in my family to pay up (with all the ac…

Proton is good, Tutanota is good, but my personal favorite is Fastmail, especially for family members who don’t need or want the security bells and whistles, but also don’t want Google snooping on them.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by jolmg » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #10

totoglazer wrote: post #2

Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?

Personally, I'm unwilling to use a mail provider that does not offer standard IMAP and SMTP. So I use Fastmail. (And I've been using them since 2002. Is this what being a hipster feels like?)

> Is this what being a hipster feels like?

I hope not. I hope everyone, not just "hipsters", would have such strong preference for standard, time-proven, open protocols like IMAP and SMTP.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by brokensegue » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM UTC

notaguid wrote: post #22

totoglazer wrote: post #2

Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?

FastMail is based in a Five Eyes country, ProtonMail is not.

Proton mail has an office in SF

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by adrr » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM UTC

huhtenberg wrote: post #40

adrr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It stops most of them. You can buy data on the number to see if its VOIP, or a legitimate cell phone. There are even some data providers that tell you about the subscriber like how long they had service, if its prepaid, or recently forwarded/ported.

Can you give any pointers? On both the number info and the subcriber's details.

Twilio has some of the basic APIs that will tell you the carrier and whether its VOIP or Mobile. Sometimes it will return you the name on the account. Subscriber stuff you'll need to find a data provider that partners with the carriers. Its pricey from what I heard.

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by miaklesp » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM UTC

totoglazer wrote: post #2

Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?

I'm using FastMail for two years already and it's good.

Only thing I don't like in them is lack of transparency how do they address customer feedback:

- no roadmap

- no uservoice

- no discussion forums

- the only big change I saw from them in past two years is the new Files UI (who does need it?)

They don't evolve and all feedback goes to /dev/null

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by mattkevan » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM UTC

ProtonMail was a bit expensive for me, so recently switched from Gmail to Soverin [0]. Based in the Netherlands, costs less than $4 per month for 25gb storage on a custom domain.

Also have a Roundcube web interface, but smtp is fine.

[0] http://www.soverin.net

Re: ProtonMail Hits 5M Accounts

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Post by blfr » Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM UTC

russdpale wrote: post #38

I found proton to be a bit expensive, I really like tutanota.com (meaning secure note in spanish). Only about $1 per month and doesnt come with things I dont need like a VPN. Plus, believe it or not, employers raise the eye at the .io, in a good way like what they did when gmail.com was new and cool.

Yeah, ProtonMail is about 150% the price of G Suite with weird limits on things like number of aliases or domains. And while I understand that the selling point is privacy, it's not that expensive to maintain one more record in your database while not violating your users' privacy.

OTOH, €8/mo is peanuts anyway.