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Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Why should anyone with an adblocker installed care about tracking? I mean isn't the end goal to just serve personalized ads?

Chrome sends all the text entered into your 'omnibus' back to HQ. Adblocker isn't going to help in Google wants to track you, and it does.

Isn't this the same in Firefox as well (safe browsing protection)?

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome sends all the text entered into your 'omnibus' back to HQ. Adblocker isn't going to help in Google wants to track you, and it does.

Isn't this the same in Firefox as well (safe browsing protection)?

That uses a local list of hashes, so the URL doesn't need to be sent to Google.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-m...

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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OK so now I'm considering switching my primary work browser to Safari instead of Chrome (I use Firefox for a lot of my general/personal browsing already). The one thing holding me back is development tools. Which has better devtools, Firefox or Safari? (I've tried both several times but always ended up running back to Chrome...)

I personally use Firefox dev tools about 99% of the time. I prefer it to Chrome. It's different from Chrome, but the performance and features are comparable, if not better.

I found using Firefox console and debugger so frustrating that I had to switch back to chrome

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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The biggest draw to Chrome is the dev tools. The debugger especially is on par with Visual Studio, may be better, and smooth (too smooth actually, especially the scrolling) whereas Firefox chokes 90% of the time as if it were created by novices. For instance, the break point never works, and if it does, the variable values are undefined. I am using v60 but this has been happening for many versions now. I have never faced a hiccup with Chrome. That said, I use Chrome exclusively for debugging and do general development and browsing exclusively on FF. Only if FF could improve theirs and spare us running two memory hogging browsers simultaneously.

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As for the topic, I am not sure how much of this is out of genuine concern for the users and how much is opportunistic jabs at the competitor's revenue. Will the jabs lead to hooks and upper cuts and eventual KO? IDK but it seems like we have a nice match on.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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The biggest draw to Chrome is the dev tools. The debugger especially is on par with Visual Studio, may be better, and smooth (too smooth actually, especially the scrolling) whereas Firefox chokes 90% of the time as if it were created by novices. For instance, the break point never works, and if it does, the variable values are undefined. I am using v60 but this has been happening for many versions now. I have never f…

> Firefox chokes 90% of the time as if it were created by novices

Hey now, don't be mean…

> As for the topic, I am not sure how much of this is out of genuine concern for the users and how much is opportunistic jabs at the competitor's revenue.

I wouldn't call it a jab at competitor's revenue, but it does make good business sense to extol privacy as a "feature" of your products.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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post #24

The biggest draw to Chrome is the dev tools. The debugger especially is on par with Visual Studio, may be better, and smooth (too smooth actually, especially the scrolling) whereas Firefox chokes 90% of the time as if it were created by novices. For instance, the break point never works, and if it does, the variable values are undefined. I am using v60 but this has been happening for many versions now. I have never f…

I use a bare chrome for dev, and Firefox for my other browsing needs. Does the work...

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have an answer to your question, but I would ask: Why not use what you find best for development tools? Ie, I've switched away from almost everything Google. My phones, my email, my life. Yet, I still have Chrome installed. It has useful features, like development tools, Hangouts (for random free calls), etc. Is it worth it to purge Chrome entirely? Are we worried about Google as if they're a virus? I'm askin…

Chrome and other Google softwares, by default will install a system-wide auto updater (Google Keystone[1]) set to run every 5 hours. The Keystone Agent cannot easily be removed, and will reinstall itself on every updates. There has also been an exploit[2] of this auto updater service. If what you need is Chrome developer's tools, installing Chromium (or building your own, for the paranoid) seems like a much better ch…

What happens if you chmod the plist for the launch agent to 000?

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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post #15

Why should anyone with an adblocker installed care about tracking? I mean isn't the end goal to just serve personalized ads?

Chrome sends all the text entered into your 'omnibus' back to HQ. Adblocker isn't going to help in Google wants to track you, and it does.

Wouldn't any browser do this, to offer you search suggestions?

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have an answer to your question, but I would ask: Why not use what you find best for development tools? Ie, I've switched away from almost everything Google. My phones, my email, my life. Yet, I still have Chrome installed. It has useful features, like development tools, Hangouts (for random free calls), etc. Is it worth it to purge Chrome entirely? Are we worried about Google as if they're a virus? I'm askin…

Chrome and other Google softwares, by default will install a system-wide auto updater (Google Keystone[1]) set to run every 5 hours. The Keystone Agent cannot easily be removed, and will reinstall itself on every updates. There has also been an exploit[2] of this auto updater service. If what you need is Chrome developer's tools, installing Chromium (or building your own, for the paranoid) seems like a much better ch…

Is the Keystone Agent run by cron? Modifying crontab is just a few keystrokes.

Re: Apple, Firefox tools aim to thwart Facebook, Google tracking

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome and other Google softwares, by default will install a system-wide auto updater (Google Keystone[1]) set to run every 5 hours. The Keystone Agent cannot easily be removed, and will reinstall itself on every updates. There has also been an exploit[2] of this auto updater service. If what you need is Chrome developer's tools, installing Chromium (or building your own, for the paranoid) seems like a much better ch…

Is the Keystone Agent run by cron? Modifying crontab is just a few keystrokes.

Keystone Agent is running by launchd on macOS, usually modifying defaults can stop it from running:

    defaults write com.google.Keystone.Agent checkInterval 0
However, this won't remove the agent from the system, and I think there's no way to be sure Google won't change this configuration key in an update (or even overriding its value).
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