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Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

#141
Yeah, come to Google. PS: I work there, and it's a good place :)

In all seriousness, promising startups are few and far between. If you find one (aligned with your interests), by all means jump on it :)

How do you know if a startup is super promising?

i) Check out their source of funding. If super reputable VCs => Good signal.

ii) Check out their attrition. If it's a revolving door, don't go there.

iii) Check out the employees. Best startups tend to have highly credentialed employees (e.g. formerly very successful startup founders).

iv) Is the startup on a continuous growth trajectory? Best startups are on one without much setback. Again, multiple setbacks => Don't go there.

v) I wouldn't bet on the specific idea or the problem being solved. Who would've guessed Facebook, Uber, Airbnb would be massive hits purely based on the idea? Betting on momentum (e.g. user growth) and/or the team is somewhat easier to measure and understand.

vi) Where do you see yourself (and the startup) in 2, 3, 5 years if you join? Will you gain skills and reputation highly relevant to your next steps? How big is the addressable market (and potential market value) of the startup?

It's best to make a list of factors you care about (money, location etc). Rank each option by each factor. Add things up in the end.

These are the rules that I personally follow. Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

#142

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Which is unenforceable because it is a violation of the California labor code section 96 k. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... .

It doesn't have to be enforced if they fire you "without cause" (because of the moonlighting)

Which is exactly when the labor board would come along and sue them for it very publicly, yes

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

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I've heard that many things are arcane in-house proprietary stuff, not easily transferable knowledge/experience.

This used to be the case, but these days many fundamental Google tools are open. Borg is Kubernetes, flume is externally available as Google Cloud Dataflow (it's basically Apache Beam), Tensorflow is open source, many of Google's internal java libraries and tools are available externally (Guava, Guice, Dagger), and absl (c++ common libraries) are also available externally. More importantly, assuming you land on a tea…

Flume is not comparable to Google cloud dataflow nor beam. But I understand your point.

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

#145

Google. Your expected value for options should usually be $0.

The median is certainly 0.

The median is what really matters when making almost any kind of decisions; else you forever chase after improbable outliers.

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

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While I don't know about the status, but compensation is definitely is the correct thinking. Startups need to offer something for less compensation, a lot of times they offer less and even less flexible than a big co.

When you're comparing against Google, outside of Facebook/Netflix pretty much all companies offer less. There are certainly plenty of predatory startups out there that are exploiting labor with unrealistic promises of riches and cap tables that guarantee no such happy outcome for employees. As an employee you have to look out for yourself, but if you set Google as the standard then everyone else is going to look chea…

Then they can’t afford google talent. Short of pay they’d have to offer some other compelling narrative (e.g. HBO’s SV “changing the world through algorithms”). In essence it’s a trick to give up their economic advantage.

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

#147
The "right" startup - one that is bootstrapped, has a successful product idea, a good founder, competent employees, and equity - is almost always a better choice than the big firm. That's because you'll get to wear all hats, learn on the fly, learn to do everything and anything to make the product successful, and with luck get a big chunk of change in a few years.

That said, companies like this are few and far between. Especially now, apparently with most startup companies opting in early for venture capital or angel investor funding, which dilutes both your opportunity for equity and say in the company. And honestly, there are a lot of dumb ideas out there. Also, if you're relatively new to the industry, you probably don't have the ability to recognize the right startup opportunity.

In most cases, it's better to start off at a big company and learn the ropes, and when you think you've done that, take your time watching for the startup opportunity, and then make that move. In the long run, though, no one really is going to look out for you. With these two steps under your belt, you'll have the background to be your own founder one day.

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

#148

Advice from someone who had a similar choice and went the startup route: choose the Google option. It will not only open doors for you for all your future jobs, but you can invest the money now and create a nice start for yourself. There will never be any shortage of interesting startups to work for in the future.

I second that. Maybe one more point to add abich was already hinted at in other comments. Working for company like Google allows to develop a dgree of professionalism that a start-up simply cannot. This is something you can build up on for the rest of your career.

But since you are thinking about joining a start-up, I assume you are not preparing to stay at Google until you retire, one last suggestion. Prepare for an exit strategy already basically from day one. Not to take it negative at being with Google. Just be aware that this is not your last job in your life.

Re: Ask HN: How do I choose between a job offer from Google and a promising startup?

#150
You frame the question very narrowly.

Where are you in your career? How big is your network?

Life is a "marathon rather than a sprint." Consider both the immediate pay-off and your long term ambition.

If you are in your twenties and aspire to build a great company in the future the answer is different than if you are in your thirties and have a family to support!

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