The death of reader wasn't as bad as this for me. Soon after reader died, alternatives popped up left and right, and some of them are better than reader ever was. What alternative is there to gmail/inbox? Unlike an RSS reader, I think it's much more difficult to make an email service that's close to being as good as gmail/inbox while having the same level of features, especially across platforms.
In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users
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Should have switched to bare metal, things like AWS cost a ton more than you realize, it just looks like a good deal because you have smaller cost up front. But in the long run managing your own systems at places like Softlayer can save you a bundle. EDIT: I don't care about downvotes, but if you are going to do it at least leave a comment of why you think I am wrong.
1. AWS saves us money despite the apparent higher costs because our developers spend more time working on our core business than managing infrastructure, and developer time is our most expensive resource. 2. Softlayer completely f'ed us twice now with down time resulting in a substantial dollar loss.
> 1. AWS saves us money despite the apparent higher costs because our developers spend more time working on our core business than managing infrastructure, and developer time is our most expensive resource.
But in most cases you lose any preserved savings because of the very ease of use and lack of needing to think about the infrastructure management. This is because more often than not problems are solved by just adding another instance, vs actually solving the larger problem.
Also, I would say part of the core business is providing the server, not simply writing the software that is the interface to the service being provided to the end users. E.G. Keeping servers up and and the right number of them in operating is just as important to the core of the business as writing the software / website of the service you are intending on providing. Outsourcing that a 3rd party removes your ability for you to control the entire service that you intend on providing, it is left in the hands of somebody else who may not be aligned to your business needs.
> 2. Softlayer completely f'ed us twice now with down time resulting in a substantial dollar loss.
AWS has f'ed near half the internet before, and probably will do so again.
Service outages are shitty, I get it, but my suggestion for Softlayer was just that, there are others, and my favorite is actually colo with everybody else's cheap EOL servers.
As a anatotal I have seen far to many projects move from bare metal, to AWS or the likes who at a minimum tripple the running cost for less performance. You could say the engineers suck, but I thought they were going to get to spend more time working on core business?
I have ran the numbers many time myself and I can't support AWS for anything other than bootstrapping a well funded startup. After that if you want to lower your cost you are either going to have to jump through hoops and formulate your service to use the cheapest parts all while not focusing on the busness but trying to get that AWS bill down.
Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users
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If you've worked in large orgs it makes sense. They had a strategic priority a while back to 'make mail good on mobile' ... whereas now they are folding it all back into the gmail umbrella because the overall strategic impetus would be to be gmail founded. So, short term strategy now important with the longer term issues of product portfolio. Collapse the 'good bits' of inbox into Gmail and move forward. You have to…
"It still blows my mind how companies with billions of dollars to burn get UI wrong. Like the first Windows 10." It's much harder to build a UI that a billion people like than one that a hundred people like. Startups have the luxury of being able to pick their customers. They can (and should) make the UI really, really tailored to their initial customers, because that's all they've got. Nail that and the initial cust…
As for Google Search, why can't they just offer features for those who want them? I wan't long pages of results, not short, I want inverted colours, don't want search results that don't include a term etc..
Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users
#154Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users
#155Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…
What exactly do they owe you?
Not enough people were using Inbox. It was an experiment and now they're moving on.
Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should have switched to bare metal, things like AWS cost a ton more than you realize, it just looks like a good deal because you have smaller cost up front. But in the long run managing your own systems at places like Softlayer can save you a bundle. EDIT: I don't care about downvotes, but if you are going to do it at least leave a comment of why you think I am wrong.
> managing your own systems at places like Softlayer The problem is, at a place like SL, they're not actually your own systems. > can save you a bundle It can, and usually does provide at least some savings, but it still comes with both the obvious form of vendor lock-in, and a subtler disadvantage, which is that you're limited by SL's specific hardware and engineering (including network) choices. The real (performan…
You are right, I do prefer colo and EOL hardware for low budget operations. But SL is a step lower than AWS. SL still can give you a punch in the face. But the point I really want is bare metal more than anything.
Also, if you need current gen stuff not owning can be nice because you won't have to repair when they break.
> It can, and usually does provide at least some savings, but it still comes with both the obvious form of vendor lock-in, and a subtler disadvantage, which is that you're limited by SL's specific hardware and engineering (including network) choices.
I advise you never to use vender provided features (that means avoiding AWS features along with depending on SL network topology (which is vlans, nothing special)).
Anybody making a service today should be able to buy a server at any provider, or setup a colo anywhere and join those resources in and get advantage of those resources instantly. All without depending on stacks and software you have no control over.
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As others have commented, there is a variety of alternatives to Google for the majority of their products, and the discussion has been had on HN a number of times . [0]. What really annoys me is how woven Google has now become to our working day processes. It's all very well having open-source alternatives for private use, but many (I included) used Inbox for work where we are obligated to use Gmail. This feels like…
I agree, it's mind boggling how Google managed to work their way into such major corporations and organizations. At a company I used to work for Google massively (massively) undercut Microsoft for Gmail and Google Docs vs O365. I guess like with Android, no one stopped to wonder why they're giving it away practically free?
Practically free!? Google Apps for domains is either $5 or $10+ a month per user, depending on feature set. That’s roughly the same price as most other commercial email providers. I don’t know for sure, but my guess is they make a profit on every account just on those monthly fees.
Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users
#158There is always so much vitriol on HN about these kinds of announcements. I've never understood why. Google presumably has lots of data and feedback from people using Inbox, and determined that it wasn't useful enough or widespread enough to justify ongoing investment. Why is this surprising or shocking? This happens all the time in commercial and open source software. The internet is great, but unfortunately has the…
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I have to agree with this. I have upgraded (or rather it upgraded for me a couple of weeks ago), and now everything I do is delayed by a couple of seconds. Archive an email? I can't close the tab otherwise the browser tells me I'm going to lose data. Send an email? Ditto. I wouldn't mind a better UI, but beside the added lag I don't find there's anything better or different than before.
What happens when you revert to the old Gmail? I'm wondering if you get the speed of the old Gmail back or if it instead just reverts to the non-industrial design elements of the previous version of Gmail. Today a friend told me he reverted all the way back to HTML Gmail because he was so annoyed with the non-responsiveness.
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>alternative for YouTube If you mean the site you could use youtube-dl on desktop and NewPipe on Android. If you mean the service, I don't think there's anything. YouTube is pervasive for non-porn videos. Want to watch a talk from that conference last month? It's only on YouTube. Want to learn how to rebuild a V8? The best information is on YouTube. The only thing I know of that isn't on YouTube is gun videos, and on…
Where should I post my video tutorials though? vimeo?