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In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by ryanobjc »

andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

There is already a sunset guarantee for GCP: https://cloud.google.com/terms/

Section 7:

7.2 Deprecation Policy. Google will announce if it intends to discontinue or make backwards incompatible changes to the Services specified at the URL in the next sentence. Google will use commercially reasonable efforts to continue to operate those Services versions and features identified at https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation without these changes for at least one year after that announcement, unless (as Google determines in its reasonable good faith judgment):

(i) required by law or third party relationship (including if there is a change in applicable law or relationship), or

(ii) doing so could create a security risk or substantial economic or material technical burden.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by themagician »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #10

I don't think Google cares whether its users are "passionate" or not. They've reached market saturation, so further spread of their products through word-of-mouth (via passionate users and such) isn't a goal at this time. With regard to their Internet service products, their goal seem to be to monetize the user base effectively, while avoiding wasting funds on unnecessary developer time. To that end, many of their pr…

Google themselves has actually built very few successful products outside of search. Half of what they build internally they kill and the other half is acquisitions, many of which they also kill.

Sometimes I even wonder about things like GSuite. When does the 2-year sunset period start?

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

I think the corporate culture of Google does not allow for continued support of 'non core' projects. It's so much cooler to work on new stuff, supporting a chrome plugging that was written eight years ago probably doesn't get you anywhere within Google.

Also they don't have any feedback / bug report channels - these are also important if you plan to support your own stuff (I know you can monitor a lot but it's still not the same level of customer support)

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Post by rabidrat »

huntie wrote: post #105
jolmg wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail and DuckDuckGo is what I use. I've been meaning to install LineageOS on my phone, too. Anyone have suggestions of alternatives for YouTube? Would be cool to see a list of software and services organized by the Google product they're alternatives of.

>alternative for YouTube If you mean the site you could use youtube-dl on desktop and NewPipe on Android. If you mean the service, I don't think there's anything. YouTube is pervasive for non-porn videos. Want to watch a talk from that conference last month? It's only on YouTube. Want to learn how to rebuild a V8? The best information is on YouTube. The only thing I know of that isn't on YouTube is gun videos, and on…

Where should I post my video tutorials though? vimeo?

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Post by crunchlibrarian »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #10

I don't think Google cares whether its users are "passionate" or not. They've reached market saturation, so further spread of their products through word-of-mouth (via passionate users and such) isn't a goal at this time. With regard to their Internet service products, their goal seem to be to monetize the user base effectively, while avoiding wasting funds on unnecessary developer time. To that end, many of their pr…

I'm so tired of this decision making process in business: well our statistics say Just stop. Please. Analytics != insight. Meetings should stop being won by whoever prints off the the most tables and visualizations, because gasp sometimes that leads to the wrong decision.

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Post by GeorgeTirebiter »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #62
sjg007 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem with gmail and inbox is that the search feature is terrible. I routinely have to search for things that I setup like a to do list or a recent reply.. and I use a few keywords and nothing can’t find them.

This! This is a huge deal. Searching for stuff in my business inbox is important . If you can't trust search, then you have to manually walk through those emails. And because Gmail 'clusters' threads together, it's often impossible to find something. This has disrupted me on a few occasions. If you can't trust your email ... Gmail team: make 'search' by default more inclusive. Err on the side of including stuff. It's…

Exactly. What google doesn't seem to 'get' is that email + searchable database = life. I email stuff to myself, or bcc: myself, all the time. If all emails were in a searchable database, perhaps with automatic clustering to group associations, all very fast -- that's killer sticky. The emails, plus stuff on gdocs, gdrive, etc, all fully searchable? Gold. (Yes, non-trivial privacy concern, but no personal data should reside un-encrypted in the cloud, and decryption should happen locally in the browser.)

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Post by _wp3r »

djaychela wrote: post #32

I use and like inbox, mostly because I took straight away to using the snooze function - the best thing I've found in an email client, full stop. While this can apparently be done in Gmail now, I'd like to look for an alternative at this point - paid - to move from Google. Any suggestions for an email client that has decent android support, and offers a snooze function?

Gmail has snooze. With the settings to customize your swipe in each direction.

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Post by deminature »

andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

If the product was a paid service, there would be a better case to be made for guarantees. Given no money is changing hands and Google is providing a world class service for nothing, I'm not sure users have any right to make demands about minimum notice periods.

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Post by _wp3r »

ronnier wrote: post #88

Google Inbox did one evil thing. To delete an item in iOS's Inbox, you swipe left to right, whereas pretty much every other app in iOS you swipe right to left. This has thrown me into such confusion now in all apps that I'm happy to see Inbox go away.

You can customize each direction of swipe in the Gmail app.

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Post by mbrumlow »

smt88 wrote: post #39
andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Should have switched to bare metal, things like AWS cost a ton more than you realize, it just looks like a good deal because you have smaller cost up front. But in the long run managing your own systems at places like Softlayer can save you a bundle.

EDIT: I don't care about downvotes, but if you are going to do it at least leave a comment of why you think I am wrong.

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