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Re: Android

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Post by billjings »

mahmud wrote: post #77
jawngee wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The emulator is a dog. Compared to the iPhone anyways. It's useless for web development.

How many platforms does the iPhone emulator run on? Is it instrumentable and controllable by user applications using nothing but sockets and octets? Didn't think so :-) Android emulator is slow to start, but it's cross-platform, and allows for hot-updating.

I have just about completely ditched the android emulator because it is irritatingly slow and I'm constantly finding it with its pants down trying to talk to eclipse. At our company we've also found that it doesn't give an accurate idea of how readable the text is in your interface, or how easy it is to interact with, partly because it's just too big on the screen and partly because it's sluggish.

It is at its most useful when I want to pull a file from internal storage, which often isn't possible on a device, or when I don't have a device handy, in which case it is a passable solution. It's never, ever my first choice, though.

Re: Android

#113

Post by veeti »

code_duck wrote: post #89
waterlesscloud wrote: post #41

I keep putting off doing anything on android because of java. I don't know java, and I don't really want to learn it. I suppose I will give in eventually, for android, but it will be grudgingly.

I understand Scala works fine for Android, too, which is much more attractive than working with Java.

I've always wondered how many apps there are on the Market using Scala - I've never heard of one and it would be interesting to try writing my next one in it.

Re: Android

#114

Post by megablast »

jsz0 wrote: post #59

I hate when people cheer lead for one particular gigantic corporation to own the market History shows that isn't very good for consumers. Why not cheer lead for a healthy diverse market with lots of competition?

Most of us do, just the fanboys are louder and more rabid.

Re: Android

#115

Post by biafra »

Caligula wrote: post #12

I have been debating fiddling wither win7 or android. What is a good android phone to test/develop with? Is the nexus still the best choice?

As a development phone the Nexus One is the best choice. You can unlock the bootloader and install Android from source after that.

Re: Android

#116

Post by biafra »

billjings wrote: post #111
mahmud wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many platforms does the iPhone emulator run on? Is it instrumentable and controllable by user applications using nothing but sockets and octets? Didn't think so :-) Android emulator is slow to start, but it's cross-platform, and allows for hot-updating.

I have just about completely ditched the android emulator because it is irritatingly slow and I'm constantly finding it with its pants down trying to talk to eclipse. At our company we've also found that it doesn't give an accurate idea of how readable the text is in your interface, or how easy it is to interact with, partly because it's just too big on the screen and partly because it's sluggish. It is at its most u…

I use the emulator for continuous integration. Its really helpful for unit- and integration-testing. Combine it with Robotium and you can thoroughly test you application across screen sizes and Android OS Versions.

Re: Android

#117

Post by riobard »

jsnell wrote: post #103
riobard wrote: post #96

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I hate to say this, but it seems common to compare price based on the hardware alone. Good software and good design cost money too. A lot of money. You pay for the development, testing, and design of all the prototypes discarded before the one you get. Android phone vendors save a lot on the development of the system because Google and many others paid for it. And frankly, based on the make of the majority of Android…

I don't understand why you're putting scare-quotes around '"premium"'. Apple do a lot of things very well, have a great brand, and unlike most of their competitors haven't been totally commoditized. That allows them to sell the iPhone and Macs at a high premium compared to the competitors. As a result they are ridiculously profitable while most other phone and PC manufacturers range from making a loss to making a mod…

I put the quotes around premium 'cause I don't really feel Apple charges unfairly for its products. The software and design is worth every penny of that extra 20%~30%.

My take on the R&D thing: Yes Apple is likely to be the largest tech company to spend least on R&D, but they have a much smaller range of products and market share to recover that cost. Also I was talking about the smart phone for that. Nokia and Microsoft don't make Android phones. They cannot take the free ride on Google.

Re: Android

#118

Post by guyjin »

GHFigs wrote: post #61
borism wrote: post #50

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I don't know what people you talk to, but the current article clearly talks in present tense.

e.g. I asked him if he'd pay $199 for an Android tablet. He said "where can I get one"? The punchline is "Nowhere."

isn't the nook an android tablet? (albeit a very specialized one.)

Re: Android

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Post by tomjen3 »

jsz0 wrote: post #59

I hate when people cheer lead for one particular gigantic corporation to own the market History shows that isn't very good for consumers. Why not cheer lead for a healthy diverse market with lots of competition?

As a developer you want to target only on phone, and you then want that phone to have as wide a market-share as possible, so you will have more people who can buy your app.

As a user, you want to buy only one phone and then want that phone to have as wide a market-share as possible so there will be more apps for it.

As a competing phone manufacture you are outnumbered, so it doesn't matter what you want.

Re: Android

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Post by guyjin »

jsz0 wrote: post #59

I hate when people cheer lead for one particular gigantic corporation to own the market History shows that isn't very good for consumers. Why not cheer lead for a healthy diverse market with lots of competition?

'cuz i like what I have and I want it to be successful.
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