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Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by jjeaff »

jordigh wrote: post #114
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #107

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Let's say bees. "I see the problem is bees in your car. We would like to solve this by filling your car with different, quieter bees. In exchange for this, we are willing to give you some of the honey."

More like, "in exchange, we'll make more honey that you can buy from us too." I gain nothing by watching ads. All I get is the creation of a need or desire that I didn't have before I watched the ad. Ads increase demand. Telling me that your business will fail unless I voluntarily inconvenience myself is not endearing me to your business.

I don't generally like ads, but sometimes they do advertise a product that I needed anyway or is better than what I was using before.

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by mcbits »

jonathansampson wrote: post #54
martindale wrote: post #14

Brave's strategy of replacing ads with other ads isn't going to do anyone any good. They could've used payment channels to build a content distribution network, but alas...

I'd like to respond, as a developer on the Brave project. We don't simply replace ads with other ads. The entire ad landscape has been co-opted by those who aim to collect as much data about you as is possible. Over 600 million devices were running some form of ad-blocking software in 2017, and that was an increase of 30% from the year prior. This number keeps growing, year over year. Something has to be done. Users…

> Furthermore, the user gets 70% of the ad revenue for browser-private ads.

I've installed and tried Brave a few times for this specific reason that I keep reading about, but I've never figured out how to receive these kickbacks from enabling and viewing ads. Was I just not looking close enough, or is this still a beta/planned feature?

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by andirk »

_oadw wrote: post #185
jonathansampson wrote: post #55

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You're 100% incorrect; the ad blocker is on by default. And Brave doesn't show any ads by default. I would like to invite you to actually download the application before making such egregious claims. Also, consider reading my response to "replacing ads" here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17972072

How is an adblock on by default going to save the internet? No one likes paywalls.

Content creators get paid via Basic Attention Token. Wow ppl reply without reading anything. BAT is all about attention. Pay attention!

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by spydum »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #75
britch wrote: post #60

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I'm curious, do you have any evidence that most people are installing ad blockers as a privacy measure? I don't have any hard evidence, but I imagine most people block ads because they don't want to have to scroll past a bunch of banners and videos to read the article they want to read. Certainly there are many people who are concerned about privacy, but I don' think that's what's driving the popularity of ad blocker…

I install ad blockers because I don't want to get auto redirected to a porn site which some unscrupulous ad vendors make possible. I tried going blocker free at work for 6 months. uBO got installed the day I was sent to a porn site by malicious JavaScript after clicking on an innocuous link. Google won't address the JavaScript problem with their ad network so I cut them off.

Just stating: I do think they attempt to address this, they have a great malvertising team, but the problem is huge. If the attack is broad enough it absolutely gets addressed... it’s just such a logistical challenge, and malvertisers are exceedingly clever about their wares

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by andirk »

losvedir wrote: post #89

I used Brave for a while, and still like it, but ultimately this bug[0] prompted me to move back to mobile Chrome, unfortunately. Hope they fix it soon! [0] https://github.com/brave/browser-android-tabs/issues/459

I use Brave primarily on mobile. Saves maybe >50% battery. Chrome when i need to. Set Brave as the default so other apps use it. So fast.

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by andirk »

dkhenry wrote: post #97

Maybe they can get Netflix working on Linux in addition to trying to use governments to shut down their competition. I _want_ to use brave, but without a fully working browser its hard to switch off firefox.

Use Brave by default and use other browsers when necessary.

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by andirk »

Via advertising networks, I have been able to send messages to my friends via vanilla advertising campaigns. If you are not aware, understand that your internet activity can pinpoint you exact via simple ad networks and nothing else. I like Brave.

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by 3pt14159 »

chucky_z wrote: post #72
3pt14159 wrote: post #56

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Eh. My vision is something more like Twitter. At the very core it comes down to whether or not people will have always-connected device that can do simple tasks for them. Imagine a layered webs-of-trust from Layer 2 up. Person P1 can trust router R1 (the one they use at home) to accept messages for them. They follow P2, P3, P4 on this future Twitter. P2 may entrust their friend's router. To deliver messages from inte…

Not quite identical, but you mostly just described mastodon. https://joinmastodon.org/

Yeah, there you go. I'm finding it harder to keep track of everything these days. Thanks for linking.

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by _oadw »

andirk wrote: post #193
_oadw wrote: post #185

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How is an adblock on by default going to save the internet? No one likes paywalls.

Content creators get paid via Basic Attention Token. Wow ppl reply without reading anything. BAT is all about attention. Pay attention!

I prefer not paying for content, which includes micro-transactions. I don't think I'm alone on that sentiment. If publishers won't get enough "BAT" through micro-transactions, the content will end up behind a paywall.

Re: Brave files adtech complaint against Google

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Post by BurningCycles »

nostrademons wrote: post #174
Jaepa wrote: post #171

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or this is just a PR stunt on a company who's trying to trumpet their "we block trackers like Google" functionality.

I'd bet it's a PR stunt. They're getting all kinds of publicity from this. ...that said, I installed Brave this weekend and am posting this comment from it, and I gotta say that it's really nice viewing a web without ads. I'd forgotten how pleasant browsing the web can be when you're not downloading the 100 or so ads & trackers on a typical news article and playing cat-and-mouse with their anti-AdBlock code. So from…

Or you can just install uBlock Origin. I don't see what Brave brings to the table.
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