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Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by kingosticks »

ksec wrote: post #86
StudentStuff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client, but with the 10nm delays and 14nm being thoroughly booked with x86-64 and LTE modems for Apple, there isn't room for Ericsson to produce new chips on modern nodes. Worse yet, I hear Ericsson designed specifically for Intel 10nm, which leaves them up a creek for the next few years. A firmware update to make existing hardware have a longer lifespan and help Ericsson to reta…

>Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client That is actually Nokia. Not Ericsson

Do either of you have an actual source?

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#92

Post by asdkhadsj »

asdkhadsj wrote: post #38
lylecubed wrote: post #33

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They increased it last year from 32GB to 50GB a month. Frankly, I think even a 50GB cap on an "unlimited" plan should be illegal, but it's better than most carriers. https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16334690/t-mobile-unlimit...

I just wish they'd stop selling unlimited. Everyone. I want to pay for my bytes, and I want you (carriers) to give me the service I pay for, at an guaranteed rate. A SLA, basically. Consumers get shafted on these deals. We pay for products with no agreement over what we're actually going to get. It gets tiring :/

I know, ya'll want unlimited speeds for cheap. I get that. I just want reliability. Currently every internet I've had craps the bed during prime hours. Which hey, is exactly what you're paying for.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#93

Post by StudentStuff »

ksec wrote: post #86
StudentStuff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client, but with the 10nm delays and 14nm being thoroughly booked with x86-64 and LTE modems for Apple, there isn't room for Ericsson to produce new chips on modern nodes. Worse yet, I hear Ericsson designed specifically for Intel 10nm, which leaves them up a creek for the next few years. A firmware update to make existing hardware have a longer lifespan and help Ericsson to reta…

>Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client That is actually Nokia. Not Ericsson

Nope, its Ericsson, and Intel fucked them over pretty badly. All of Ericsson's newer chips were designed for 10nm, which doesn't work & Intel is full up on 14nm. Firmware updates to existing hardware and rebrands of existing chips are all Ericsson has to retain customers until they can either get another fab to build their chip (2 to 3 years from now), or Intel sorts out the yield issues on 10nm.

https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10...

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by StudentStuff »

kingosticks wrote: post #91
ksec wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client That is actually Nokia. Not Ericsson

Do either of you have an actual source?

Definitely! https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10...

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#95

Post by StudentStuff »

Matrixik wrote: post #85
StudentStuff wrote: post #68

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It is one of the core features of Erlang (a language developed by Ericsson), being able to rewrite code in production, with errors/crashes that break one thread not affecting another. Obligatory link to Erlang: The Movie (10min)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIjfIjssLE Note that they start crashing things in Erlang around minute 7, and fix them shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, their setup keeps calls that weren't d…

Well, great for Erlang. But this hardware is not running on Erlang but on C++. Erlang is used for testing.

Source? Ericsson themselves state that Erlang is a backbone of LTE, with "Many smartphones are connected for data transfer using Erlang software.".

Seeing as Ericsson doesn't make cell phones, this would directly imply that critical portions of their base station software are written in Erlang.

https://www.ericsson.com/en/news/2014/12/inside-erlang--crea...

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#96

Post by StudentStuff »

dnautics wrote: post #76
InclinedPlane wrote: post #69

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Did you have a smartphone 10 years ago? Do you remember what 3G was like? Wasn't so bad, right? Try using 3G in any metropolitan area today, a lot of times it's painfully slow. Why is that? Congestion. The reason to upgrade isn't necessarily to improve the best case performance for a single user it's to provide a better quality of service for a larger number of users. Anyone who's attended an event like comic-con or…

probably part of it is also inconsiderate developers.

And cell carriers running 3G networks with minimal spectrum. Why leave spectrum on older protocols like 3G, when it could be making your LTE network faster? Hence T-Mobile killing 3G in many areas, with 2G stuffed into the guard bands of their LTE broadcasts. Not much spectrum allocated for 2G either...

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by gascan »

zaphod12 wrote: post #41
gascan wrote: post #36

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Couple things- the range of 5G is pretty limited. Getting a cell down the block from your house would seem to be nearly as hard as running a line to your door. Also, with wireless, never forget about bandwidth. Bandwidth is the reason living next to thirty other WiFi networks tanks your speeds (but not your cat5 speeds!)

that's incorrect. contention is the reason being next to all of those other wifi networks tanks your speed. Only 1 device can transmit on a given channel at a time. It's as if everyone is plugged into the same handful of ethernet cables.

Ok, maybe I used the wrong word, but I meant the bandwidth of the air. As you say, only 1 device can transmit at a time.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#98

Post by StudentStuff »

asdkhadsj wrote: post #92
asdkhadsj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish they'd stop selling unlimited. Everyone. I want to pay for my bytes, and I want you (carriers) to give me the service I pay for, at an guaranteed rate. A SLA, basically. Consumers get shafted on these deals. We pay for products with no agreement over what we're actually going to get. It gets tiring :/

I know, ya'll want unlimited speeds for cheap. I get that. I just want reliability. Currently every internet I've had craps the bed during prime hours. Which hey, is exactly what you're paying for.

Sounds like your on some shifty cable ISP or an older ADSL based ISP. For cable provided internet, its truly shared, and one person plugging a VCR in the wrong way means your speeds may drop significantly.

Meanwhile, older ADSL terminals are often backhauled by a couple T1s, so 6Mbps may be split across more than a few customers, resulting in poor service. Centurylink calls it exhaustion when that occurs.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#99

Post by kingosticks »

StudentStuff wrote: post #94
kingosticks wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do either of you have an actual source?

Definitely! https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10...

Nowhere there does it actually confirm that it's Nokia or Ericsson (or anyone else for that matter).

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Post by babypuncher »

tjoff wrote: post #81
babypuncher wrote: post #52

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That still doesn't compare to the 300Mbps I'm getting right now even through Comcast, or the 1Gbps I'll be getting once the local fiber company builds out in my neighborhood in the next year or so.

Hardly comparable though. The context is wireless internet.

I thought the context was wireless ISPs becoming viable alternatives to landline ISPs like Comcast, so it seemed like a relevant comparison.
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