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FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Ah, the good old days where guestbooks and webrings were commonplace. I remember it was an exciting time to be on the Internet. I felt far more connected to people's personal pages back then.

Anyone interested in starting a modern webring? I've wanted to move my blog content off Medium, but then no one would ever see it.

I still post my content to my own site. People still see it; mostly finding it through search.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Born in 89, I made a webpage for my mother at that time. She still likes it :/ Check the generator tag on the frameset page http://www.roswithavanderzander.de/index_EN.htm

This page is great. It loads instantly, shows you the content up front, has clear navigation, and has clear contrast between elements. Also, it has frames, which I honestly miss even though I am glad we have moved past them.

And frames have a feature I love that's almost never implemented nowadays: You can click+drag the border to freely resize the frames and see the content better.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Born in 91, I was the perfect age to be obsessed with Harry Potter. When I was around ten, an older kid in the neighborhood helped me make a Harry Potter themed website using FrontPage (the Express version I think it was named). Small, random event that end up having a big effect on my life. My hobbies, what&where I chose to study, the friends I got there etc. I can trace back to this.

Wow, I would have loved to be friends with all the guys in this thread. I didn't have a single friend with this kind of interests, none of my friends would be interested in creating stuff instead of just consuming it.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Man, look at that site. Unimaginably fast, works perfect on mobile, no clutter and readable. It truly has gone downhill since then.

> Unimaginably fast

From the article:

> I also like the load time estimation found in the bottom right corner -- that's a constant reminder how long it will take the page you're working on to load for your visitors. My resume page is pretty good on wait time -- 14 seconds and that includes a graphic in addition to a massive HTML file!

His "unimaginably fast" website took 14 seconds to load. Compare that to today's "bloated" sites like CNN's home page. Loads in 4.3 seconds, and finishes asynchronously loading all the bloat in 7.8 seconds.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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I love how they laid it on the line. “If you want to do web development, you need to actually learn web technology” Now if someone would tell web developers that if you want to write desktop/mobile apps, you need to learn native frameworks..... What are newer FrontPage alternatives? The Internet and the web have changed drastically since the days when FrontPage was a very common website editor. Almost every modern we…

Don't forget the first program in this space: Adobe Pagemill.

Wasn't HoTMetaL (Pro) the first actually released (in 1994)? Pagemill was in beta until 1995...

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Ah, the good old days where guestbooks and webrings were commonplace. I remember it was an exciting time to be on the Internet. I felt far more connected to people's personal pages back then.

I proudly proclaim to my younger cohorts that I was once in a Space Quest webring. I wear it like a badge of honor!

I still have a buckazoid around here somewhere.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Don't forget the first program in this space: Adobe Pagemill.

Wasn't HoTMetaL (Pro) the first actually released (in 1994)? Pagemill was in beta until 1995...

Claris Home Page looks like it also came out in 1994.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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This article from The Verge[0] cites some support Tweets: - AirBnb[1]: "We'd always recommend that you use Google Chrome to browse the site: we've optimised things for this browser. Thanks." - Seamless[2]: "Safari is not a good browser to use with our website. Google Chrome work better with our website or you can download the app." - DirecTV Now[3] - IDAT solutions[4] (some random thing I found while searching) - Cou…

First of all: I agree that this is bad and that these developers should choose portable tech when building these sites. But as of now, Chrome is and has for a long time been the only browser to support: Shadow DOM: https://caniuse.com/#feat=shadowdomv1 Custom elements: https://caniuse.com/#feat=custom-elementsv1 CSS Paint API: https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-paint-api

> CSS Paint API

That's been in Chrome for, like, less than a year - hardly a "long time". And the implementation leaked history spectacularly [0]. Rushing features out the door isn't necessarily something to be proud of.

[0] https://www.spinda.net/papers/smith-2018-revisited.pdf (see section 3.1)

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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post #190
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You can say what you want but these were great times! Everyone could make their own little ugly homepage and it was exciting. People didn't really judge each other or bragged about how this tech is better than that. I kinda miss it.

Really? While I developed many sites in FrontPage, it was always looked down on by most people I knew. Many hosts outright refused to do full integration with it or run its extensions. The Generated HTML was far better than Word would generate, but it still was wonky unless you really knew what to avoid or were doing something incredibly simple.

Not running its extensions was mostly a result of the fact that that required running IIS on Windows NT. IIS had a number of high profile problems, and Windows NT 3.51/4.0 (remember, bare metal not VMs) really wasn't ready for running at that scale or in that context. Compared to putting in a SPARC-based machine running Solaris, it just didn't make sense - much harder to manage, less efficient use of resources etc.

Re: FrontPage 98: Elegant and Exquisite (1997)

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Were we really that color blind back then or did we really have that poor taste?

A bit of both.

The color palette was limited. 216 web-safe colors, 256 if you didn't mind the user's open programs changing how it looked.

Colors displayed differently on different monitors, and 'dead' areas of the screen, where colors would be less vibrant, were common.

And finally... The web was different, so we tossed all the rules. If you liked it, that's good enough! Why pander to anybody else? This was your own thing.

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