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Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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The real kicker is the last line. T-mobile can software upgrade its LTE equipment to 5G: > The partnership with Ericsson means that T-Mobile’s already installed base of Ericsson Radio System radios will be able to run 5G NR with a remote software installation.

That's the good thing with almost all telecom equipment by Ericsson and their big advantage. Remote software update/upgrade while in operation with almost zero down time and also the ability to live/actively patch the running code.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They increased it last year from 32GB to 50GB a month. Frankly, I think even a 50GB cap on an "unlimited" plan should be illegal, but it's better than most carriers. https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16334690/t-mobile-unlimit...

I just wish they'd stop selling unlimited. Everyone. I want to pay for my bytes, and I want you (carriers) to give me the service I pay for, at an guaranteed rate. A SLA, basically. Consumers get shafted on these deals. We pay for products with no agreement over what we're actually going to get. It gets tiring :/

Until there is legitimate competition in these spaces you will keep getting "up to X mbps" and "for the first 50GB, subject to change" in every providers terms.

It doesn't help that actually pricing out Internet access is more complex than X cents per byte. For most providers data between the hours of 0100 to 0600 would be free because of how little network usage there is, while data from 1700 to 2300 would be most expensive due to that being when everyone is using the network simultaneously. But throughout the years there have been very few time limited unlimited plans.

And even then, its not actually "expensive" to use the Internet in the evening. Its just saturated, and pressures the ISP to either throttle everyone or expand capacity. Expanding capacity is expensive, but just promising "up to X mbps" is easy and I'm surprised at how eager operators are to adopt data caps over simply throttling heavy data users during peak times.

Well, I'm not really surprised, because the former lets you hit people with surprise bills for ludicrous amounts while the later just saturates your useless customer support lines with complaints.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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Is there a specific 5G standard? In comparison to 3G which had CDMA2000 and UMTS, there seems to be mutlitude of unnamed standards.

4G mobile standard was LTE from 3GPP, which competed against WiMax from IEEE and won in the late 00s. 5G mobile standard is NR (stands for New Radio) from 3GPP. There is no competing mobile standard from anyone else. Biggest change compared to LTE is the formal standard for millimeter wave communication for mobile. Previously it's been used for fixed wireless access and/or satellites. We'll see how it plays out in a…

So "long term evolution" turned out to not be so long term? :D

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#64

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

5G wireless data plans have to be different or it won't make sense to have such high speed.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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post #64

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

5G wireless data plans have to be different or it won't make sense to have such high speed.

more expensive plans is probably the way they'll go.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4G mobile standard was LTE from 3GPP, which competed against WiMax from IEEE and won in the late 00s. 5G mobile standard is NR (stands for New Radio) from 3GPP. There is no competing mobile standard from anyone else. Biggest change compared to LTE is the formal standard for millimeter wave communication for mobile. Previously it's been used for fixed wireless access and/or satellites. We'll see how it plays out in a…

So "long term evolution" turned out to not be so long term? :D

Not really. 5G won't replace 4G. 5G just requires to many cell towers to make sense outside of high-traffic areas like hospitals, airports and stadiums. 4G will still be what's used in outside environments. That's how it's been explained to me, anyway.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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It seems they are using both companies to build out their network. T-Mobile and Nokia Ink $3.5 Billion, Multi-year 5G Network Agreement https://www.t-mobile.com/news/nokia-5g-agreement

"don't put all your eggs in one basket" There is a reason most vendors pick from 2 or more manufacturers/suppliers.

I've long wondered if the best way to buy software may be to just buy from multiple vendors and see what works best, damned the purchase costs, just to fix the information asymmetry.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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post #46

The real kicker is the last line. T-mobile can software upgrade its LTE equipment to 5G: > The partnership with Ericsson means that T-Mobile’s already installed base of Ericsson Radio System radios will be able to run 5G NR with a remote software installation.

That's the good thing with almost all telecom equipment by Ericsson and their big advantage. Remote software update/upgrade while in operation with almost zero down time and also the ability to live/actively patch the running code.

It is one of the core features of Erlang (a language developed by Ericsson), being able to rewrite code in production, with errors/crashes that break one thread not affecting another.

Obligatory link to Erlang: The Movie (10min)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIjfIjssLE

Note that they start crashing things in Erlang around minute 7, and fix them shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, their setup keeps calls that weren't directly involved in the crash alive and running unaffected.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

#69

Great. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.

Did you have a smartphone 10 years ago? Do you remember what 3G was like? Wasn't so bad, right? Try using 3G in any metropolitan area today, a lot of times it's painfully slow. Why is that? Congestion. The reason to upgrade isn't necessarily to improve the best case performance for a single user it's to provide a better quality of service for a larger number of users. Anyone who's attended an event like comic-con or PAX knows just how easy it is for even 4G LTE to get saturated with connections.

Re: Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4G mobile standard was LTE from 3GPP, which competed against WiMax from IEEE and won in the late 00s. 5G mobile standard is NR (stands for New Radio) from 3GPP. There is no competing mobile standard from anyone else. Biggest change compared to LTE is the formal standard for millimeter wave communication for mobile. Previously it's been used for fixed wireless access and/or satellites. We'll see how it plays out in a…

So "long term evolution" turned out to not be so long term? :D

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