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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by nerfhammer »

komali2 wrote: post #72
will_brown wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure maybe the Nixon campaign/administration used laws that were on the books to target certain groups...but the laws already existed for more than a generation. Similarly, private for profit prisons, while they existed earlier, weren’t really a thing (as we know them today) until the 1980’s. So the idea drug laws were created as a weapon against hippies and blacks (30 years in advance) or to line pockets of prison o…

Right, while the above are all disgusting side effects of the shitty implementation of American drug law, I think good old fashioned American Puritanism is to blame for the original targeting.

If you think US drug laws are bad, look at Asia. Societies often have disproportionately harsh taboos on certain substances while being totally fine with others.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

pc86 wrote: post #128
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #118

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> It's probably getting downvoted because they're trying to evoke an emotional reaction by comparing forced labor as part of a prison sentence with literally keeping people as your personal property. What I stated was a fact. Too bad, that you don't like facts, or that you try to dismiss the fact that it is slavery by comparing it to chattel slavery. This isnt some bigoted law in some Southern state legislature. This…

You probably serve your (IMO just) argument well by learning to discuss controversial topics with at least some semblance of respect for those who disagree with you.

So I should "respect" those who accept and advocate slavery? No.

We can discuss controversial subjects. Happens quite often. But you're wanting me to respect the fact that people are OK with slavery. Put it this way: I have ethics, and this is beyond the pale.

This "argument" is nothing more than a decorum complaint. Slavery, in all its forms, is Wrong. Anybody who supports slavery is Wrong. No ifs, ands, or buts.

And we fought a war over this very issue, and the 'compromise' was that criminals could be enslaved. Who'da thought that the majority of those who were chattel slaves would end up as "criminals", and back where they started? Its high time we excise that criminals part from the 13th.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by acct1771 »

sizzle wrote: post #121
craftyguy wrote: post #104

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>I can't even begin to believe how&why we let things like this happen. $$$.

CBD and THC can easily be monetized for profit so what's the issue?

Competition, as in, ease of home drug creation.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by tzakrajs »

Thriptic wrote: post #127
tzakrajs wrote: post #111

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> I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly. Source?

Are you really asking me for a source to prove that being caught doing something massively illegal will result in negative consequences? I'm going to assume that when we talk about running a study, we are talking about using marijuana in humans in a study, meaning a clinical trial. In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana, by law investigators would need to get an IND (investigational new drug) application…

Civil disobedience surely looks stupid through the lens of the oppressor, but perhaps someone with the ability and connections will sacrifice their livelihood to show us how we as a society are sacrificing ours.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by stephengillie »

Thriptic wrote: post #127
tzakrajs wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly. Source?

Are you really asking me for a source to prove that being caught doing something massively illegal will result in negative consequences? I'm going to assume that when we talk about running a study, we are talking about using marijuana in humans in a study, meaning a clinical trial. In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana, by law investigators would need to get an IND (investigational new drug) application…

> In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana... investigators would need to get ... approved by the FDA... Part of this involves DEA review...

It only took you 3 coarse and unhelpful posts to answer my legitimate question. Thanks for your cooperation. (5 Whys? Only 3 Whys were needed here.)

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by codr4 »

e40 wrote: post #32
nopacience wrote: post #27

> In March, Insys launched a multinational study of 190 children to evaluate cannabidiol as a first-line therapy for infantile spasms. We are eager to see how well the compound performs when given in the first days and weeks of the condition. If it turns out to be effective, cannabidiol would represent a substantial improvement over current drugs, all of which have serious side effects: One, for example, causes irrev…

This shows the derangement of the people in charge. Why is this? Why this derangement on the subject of cannabis? I've read a fair amount, and every time I've brought it up, I get downvoted to hell. So, I'll ask: Anyone have a hypothesis on why a large number of our leaders, who happen to be older white men, are insanely against this plant?

There are several reasons, and this list is far from complete:

Hemp threatened the cotton industry.

Cannabis was more usual among Mexican immigrant workers, which is why they renamed it to something more Mexican sounding.

It was a convenient way of breaking up the hippie movement and avoiding Vietnam war protests.

It has many medicinal uses and less side effects than the artificial crap we call medicine these days.

It scrambles the programming, people start asking themselves the wrong questions when using it.

It allows the government to conduct a war against its own people, and discriminate freely; while claiming to protect.

And on it goes...

States have managed to foment different levels of social stigma.

In Sweden, where I was born; you might as well do crack cocaine in most peoples eyes.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by [deleted] »

pc86 wrote: post #126
komali2 wrote: post #75

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This is fact, so I'm curious why it's being downvoted. >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

> Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered? The Supreme Court does not have the authority to "neuter" parts of the Constitution.

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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by Fellshard »

gnulinux wrote: post #70
nopacience wrote: post #27

> In March, Insys launched a multinational study of 190 children to evaluate cannabidiol as a first-line therapy for infantile spasms. We are eager to see how well the compound performs when given in the first days and weeks of the condition. If it turns out to be effective, cannabidiol would represent a substantial improvement over current drugs, all of which have serious side effects: One, for example, causes irrev…

What drives me crazy is, if you go to a psychiatrist today and lie about having hard time sleeping, they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning. In the US, drug regulations are absolutely ridiculous and have no scientific basis, it is…

'Consumer protection' makes extremely good political capital.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by mz00 »

eip wrote: post #103
e40 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows the derangement of the people in charge. Why is this? Why this derangement on the subject of cannabis? I've read a fair amount, and every time I've brought it up, I get downvoted to hell. So, I'll ask: Anyone have a hypothesis on why a large number of our leaders, who happen to be older white men, are insanely against this plant?

Ganja cures the Babylon mind sickness.

Curious about what you mean by that.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by [deleted] »

Thriptic wrote: post #16
stephengillie wrote: post #2

> Federal law vs. state law: While the DEA was insisting on thoroughly vetting everyone who came into contact with the tiny amount of marijuana product used in our study, the reality was that less than a mile from the hospital, anyone could walk into a boutique shop or dispensary and buy it. Why does a drug have to be legalized to be studied? If it can be purchased down the road, why are you involving the DEA at all?…

Marijuana is defined as a schedule one drug by the DEA, meaning they believe it has no accepted medical value and should not be studied. Being in possession of or trying to purchase this drug for a medical study would therefore be illegal. Publishing the results would be admitting you performed a federal crime and you would be arrested. Additionally, human studies require approval by an on site or third party institu…

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