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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by sizzle »

craftyguy wrote: post #104
gnulinux wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drives me crazy is, if you go to a psychiatrist today and lie about having hard time sleeping, they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning. In the US, drug regulations are absolutely ridiculous and have no scientific basis, it is…

>I can't even begin to believe how&why we let things like this happen. $$$.

CBD and THC can easily be monetized for profit so what's the issue?

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by somebodythere »

dx87 wrote: post #114
komali2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is fact, so I'm curious why it's being downvoted. >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

It's probably getting downvoted because they're trying to evoke an emotional reaction by comparing forced labor as part of a prison sentence with literally keeping people as your personal property. If we're going to call any instance of the government forcing you to do a job you don't want "slavery", then here's a list of countries where the majority of the population has been forced into "slavery" without even being…

The guilty plea system is pretty much used to intimidate defendants into waiving their right to a fair trial. Far, far, from every person serving time in a prison has been convicted by a jury in a court of law.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by komali2 »

dx87 wrote: post #114
komali2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is fact, so I'm curious why it's being downvoted. >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

It's probably getting downvoted because they're trying to evoke an emotional reaction by comparing forced labor as part of a prison sentence with literally keeping people as your personal property. If we're going to call any instance of the government forcing you to do a job you don't want "slavery", then here's a list of countries where the majority of the population has been forced into "slavery" without even being…

Well, yes, I would agree that forced conscription is a form of slavery. Obviously it's not as horrible a situation as say early American black slavery, but slavery nonetheless. I'm happy to be challenged on this.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by [deleted] »

tzakrajs wrote: post #111
Thriptic wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that it is absurd that we cannot study weed legally. At the end of the day when it comes down to illegal studies, it all comes down to risk tolerance: Is an individual willing to lose their ability to practice academic science (in that they can't get a university position, can't get federal funding, and may have to absorb a felony) in order to perform a study that the government says is not ok? For most peopl…

> I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly. Source?

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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

brandall10 wrote: post #108
e40 wrote: post #32

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This shows the derangement of the people in charge. Why is this? Why this derangement on the subject of cannabis? I've read a fair amount, and every time I've brought it up, I get downvoted to hell. So, I'll ask: Anyone have a hypothesis on why a large number of our leaders, who happen to be older white men, are insanely against this plant?

Its criminalization is seen by conservatives as fighting back against what the counter-culture of the 60s unleashed. When the basis of objection is largely emotional facts aren't all that helpful.

Supporting the war on drugs because you need to differentiate yourself from the left is like supporting the patriot act because you hate terrorists. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Neither are legislation that stand on it's own merit once you look at it with the benefit of hindsight.

That said, the "counter culture" gave us the war on drugs, gun control, probably a couple other curtailments of personal freedom that I'm forgetting, they reduced public support for the civil rights movements of the time and provided an excuse for the three letter agencies to greatly increase their amount of domestic surveillance. In return we got out of 'nam a year, maybe two, earlier. I don't see why people romanticize the culture shifts of the 1960s. Their intentions were good but their methods flawed and their results worse.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by pc86 »

komali2 wrote: post #75
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And thanks to the 13th amendment, once found guilty of a crime, are legal to be slaves. Again.

This is fact, so I'm curious why it's being downvoted. >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

> Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

The Supreme Court does not have the authority to "neuter" parts of the Constitution.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by Thriptic »

tzakrajs wrote: post #111
Thriptic wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that it is absurd that we cannot study weed legally. At the end of the day when it comes down to illegal studies, it all comes down to risk tolerance: Is an individual willing to lose their ability to practice academic science (in that they can't get a university position, can't get federal funding, and may have to absorb a felony) in order to perform a study that the government says is not ok? For most peopl…

> I will tell you right now that embarking on such a study will end poorly. Source?

Are you really asking me for a source to prove that being caught doing something massively illegal will result in negative consequences? I'm going to assume that when we talk about running a study, we are talking about using marijuana in humans in a study, meaning a clinical trial.

In order to perform a clinical trial with marijuana, by law investigators would need to get an IND (investigational new drug) application approved by the FDA as FDA does not recognize marijuana as a safe and effective drug for any indication. Part of this involves DEA review, and DEA will almost certainly say no. Let's assume for the sake of argument that you do not care about getting approval to run your study. If you do not get an IND approval and you run a clinical trial anyway, your physicians will almost certainly lose their medical licenses, all participants will be subject to multiple criminal offenses, the group will lose all their funding, they be slapped with enormous amounts of fees, and participants will likely lose their university and / or hospital appointments.

https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm421163.h....

https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm2681....

I don't have a concrete example for as to what will happen because to my knowledge no one has been stupid enough to give the FDA the middle finger and run an unlicensed clinical trial. FDA would never let this go unanswered because it would completely undermine their regulatory authority and set a horrible precedent. In effect, this is a perma-ban level offense, and people that do it should expect to get massively punished.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by pc86 »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #118
dx87 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably getting downvoted because they're trying to evoke an emotional reaction by comparing forced labor as part of a prison sentence with literally keeping people as your personal property. If we're going to call any instance of the government forcing you to do a job you don't want "slavery", then here's a list of countries where the majority of the population has been forced into "slavery" without even being…

> It's probably getting downvoted because they're trying to evoke an emotional reaction by comparing forced labor as part of a prison sentence with literally keeping people as your personal property. What I stated was a fact. Too bad, that you don't like facts, or that you try to dismiss the fact that it is slavery by comparing it to chattel slavery. This isnt some bigoted law in some Southern state legislature. This…

You probably serve your (IMO just) argument well by learning to discuss controversial topics with at least some semblance of respect for those who disagree with you.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by pc86 »

mywittyname wrote: post #98
komali2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is fact, so I'm curious why it's being downvoted. >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted , shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Did I maybe miss a supreme Court case where that bit of it was neutered?

Probably from the people who think those in prison are not slaves, but are "earning their keep."

It's likely less about "earning your keep" and more that you're being punished.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Post by qubax »

gnulinux wrote: post #70
nopacience wrote: post #27

> In March, Insys launched a multinational study of 190 children to evaluate cannabidiol as a first-line therapy for infantile spasms. We are eager to see how well the compound performs when given in the first days and weeks of the condition. If it turns out to be effective, cannabidiol would represent a substantial improvement over current drugs, all of which have serious side effects: One, for example, causes irrev…

What drives me crazy is, if you go to a psychiatrist today and lie about having hard time sleeping, they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning. In the US, drug regulations are absolutely ridiculous and have no scientific basis, it is…

> they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning.

Not only that, the same psychiatrist might be getting kickbacks from the maker of ambien to peddle it to their clients.

>it is randomly decided by a few individuals

It isn't randomly decided. It's systematically decided by drug companies.

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