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Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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The only way to stop this quick is to remove forwarding systems. If people have to make some non trivial effort to share stuff, that effort and time will be saved only for important stuff. No will spend time typing all this click bait for every single recipient. We can try education but that will take at least a generation or two to take effect.

This is a problem that can take care of itself if left alone. It's resolvable only with experience. If not, we'll enable worse problems - oppressive governments. I remember when first got online, I fell for every "make money online scheme." The experience thought me to subconsciously / automatically ignore them. Rather than spend unnecessary resources on a technical solution or filter, lets inoculate them. FAKE NEWS…

I just saw your message, but this is a brilliant idea.. assuming you can get people to finish watching to the end, so it doesn't backfire!

I could also imagine gamifying... tie the Report button to in-store credit or some kind of "debunker" badge, to reward people guessing that videos are hoaxes.

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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post #140

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Not really. Almost all of WhatsApp related lynchings are from villages. The OP's point is that one app cannot fit all. To give you one silly point to understand; These are the people who are online for the first time. They still are in the 'click here to talk to online hotties in your area' level scam. A regular internet user would know that this is fake. Not them!

Patently false and just a way to whitewash the crime. Here are lynching/mob attack examples from Indian cities:- 1. Gurgaon : https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/muslim-meat-selle... 2. Hyderabad: https://www.firstpost.com/india/mob-lynching-telangana-polic... 3. Jaipur: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/25-year-old-... 4. Chennai: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/two-beaten-in-chenna... 5…

I don't think we have to limit to India either. Americans used to lynch African Americans based on false crimes. Germans thought Jews as Boogeyman enough to conduct a genocide. It is human psychology, not just "poor illiterate third wolders"

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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post #128

WhatsApp didn't destroy a village. People did, like they have always done when they've believed some random threat to be true, without checking the facts or doing some investigation. All that technology, be it WhatsApp or any other platform, has done is made it easier and quicker for such rumors to spread. What's required is a government initiative like on the lines of this educational video in this article. [1] Ther…

We shouldn't blame WhatsApp, but Facebook should try to work together with the local government if they haven't. This has been going on for a while:

> Since May, there have been at least 16 lynchings leading to 29 deaths in India where public officials say mobs were incited by misinformation on WhatsApp.

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Almost all of WhatsApp related lynchings are from villages. The OP's point is that one app cannot fit all. To give you one silly point to understand; These are the people who are online for the first time. They still are in the 'click here to talk to online hotties in your area' level scam. A regular internet user would know that this is fake. Not them!

Patently false and just a way to whitewash the crime. Here are lynching/mob attack examples from Indian cities:- 1. Gurgaon : https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/muslim-meat-selle... 2. Hyderabad: https://www.firstpost.com/india/mob-lynching-telangana-polic... 3. Jaipur: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/25-year-old-... 4. Chennai: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/two-beaten-in-chenna... 5…

I specifically said almost. Look at the number of lynchings and count how many in cities. Even in cities it's not in the upper sections of the society. That's the point

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way to stop this quick is to remove forwarding systems. If people have to make some non trivial effort to share stuff, that effort and time will be saved only for important stuff. No will spend time typing all this click bait for every single recipient. We can try education but that will take at least a generation or two to take effect.

This is a problem that can take care of itself if left alone. It's resolvable only with experience. If not, we'll enable worse problems - oppressive governments. I remember when first got online, I fell for every "make money online scheme." The experience thought me to subconsciously / automatically ignore them. Rather than spend unnecessary resources on a technical solution or filter, lets inoculate them. FAKE NEWS…

> WhatsApp and other platforms can randomly spam their users with these lies and at the end of the message, write - its a joke, April fool or whatever.

I worry that would have the opposite effect - it would train people to look for that, then assume messages that _don't_ have it are real.

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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post #83

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Okay, if you're going to be willfully obtuse about it, why don't you try to come up with a better solution? Because that's actually what I'm suggesting with literally all of my comments on this article. And if you really don't understand the difference between optionally-anonymous, broadcast communication and a person standing in a group of people holding a megaphone, I'm sure you won't mind sharing your full name an…

You've repeatedly broken the site guidelines in this thread. We ban accounts that do that, so can you please not do that? Someone else being wrong is no reason to break the rules. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (I do appreciate that you apologized for going over the line in the previous comment.)

I apologize if it appears I've stepped out of line, or if this thread has been difficult for you to moderate; that wasn't the intention.

If you go back to my first comment on this post, it seems reasonably clear that my message is not particularly contentious – I'm simply suggesting that people apply some amount of ethical rigor to their work. Sadly, that message was heavily twisted in all sorts of ways that somehow fit within this site's guidelines.

Ethics and politics are indivisible from the act of creating software. It clearly stands to reason that software is fractal of the beliefs of the people that create it. By placing intellectual curiosity on a pedestal above morals and ethics, HN has managed to drive away some of the most talented and credible people in the industry from this site – and to promulgate a culture of no accountability for what we do, or fail to do.

I've fought year-long battles that have come close to costing me my job, just so I could prevent inaccuracies in systems that likely process your credit score. I've consciously killed projects that would disadvantage entire groups of people, no matter how technically cool or interesting they were. In much the same way that I'm not willing to negligently let someone die, I'm also unwilling to be part of the next Manhattan project – but it's becoming clear to me that I'm in the minority of the Hacker News readership that feels that way, or has ever even considered the impact of their work.

Over the past ten years, the attitude of this community has single-handedly convinced me that the end of our world will be because somebody could, so they did. If we can create "deep fakes" on demand, we will. If we can patrol the border with some hastily slapped-together CV and ML, we will. If we can use deep learning to decide who will go to prison, we will. All under the guise of intellectual curiosity.

I honestly believed tech was a good thing at one point in my career – now I spend most of my time building systems to protect people from my peers.

I know I can't delete my account here yet – I've tried. But I've never felt more disconnected from a community I'm supposed to be a part of.

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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post #120

The real problem here is that these services (twitter, fb, whatsapp, etc.) are designed for use by educated, urban people who know the basics of tech. And they are then marketed to uneducated people in remote areas to reach growth metric targets that Zuck and co can fling around at their next meeting. In the west and in the urban areas of SE Asia, these problems do not occur because the users are educated enough to u…

You're making an awful lot of assumptions of both "educated, urban people" and "uneducated people in remote areas". We're all human and we all fall for these kinds of myths, just different ones. Just look at "red pilling". Even with university level education it's easy to fall for various forms of propaganda, especially when it's "just the facts". White supremacists will happily cite "factual" crime statistics to nud…

One word: Pizzagate

Re: How WhatsApp Destroyed a Village

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post #31

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What exactly is "growth hacking" in a chat app? WhatsApp is a fairly direct clone of BBM and BBM’s growth hack for want of a better term was to make its users feel like part of an exclusive in-group.

Yes, to the extent that every chat app is a clone of every other chat app, WhatApp is a clone of BBM. Other than that, what exactly are the similarities? The whole point of WhatsApp is having a primary key that is your phone number. And they launched on literally all kinds of OSes that developing countries were using, including Symbian as late as 2012. So please tell me, how exactly is a service where you can message…

> Sorry but you don't seem to have any idea what you are talking about.

Personal swipes like that will get you banned here, so please don't post those. Your comment would be fine without that bit.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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