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YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by bitreality »

reaperducer wrote: post #110
bitreality wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it would. But these things don't happen in a vacuum. If someone like Ninja just quit streaming one day, there would be a ton of pressure on him. His followers would constantly be asking him why he did it, when he's coming back. They'd speak rumors about him, comment publicly on his health (mental and physical). I'm sure your answer is to just ignore it all. No problem, if you're a robot. Then there's the pressur…

there would be a ton of pressure on him. His followers would constantly be asking him why he did it, when he's coming back. They'd speak rumors about him, comment publicly on his health (mental and physical). What pressure? Don’t want to feel pressure from thousands of anonymous people on Twitch? Don’t go on Twitch. Problem solved. Similarly, know how to avoid all the negative social aspects of Twitter that so many c…

This isn't some guy with a few thousand followers. He's literally a celebrity. He would need to delete all his publicly accessible social media, stop reading emails, and have the will-power not to go down the rabbit hole of reading the online discussion about him.

You act as if just disappearing as a celebrity is some easy job. Especially one in this area (Twitch), where the audience is more pervasive. There's plenty of celebrities out there who try to filter out criticism online but can't help themselves but get consumed by it. Kevin Durant is a great example. The guy has no reason to care about what some kids say about him on social media, but he still gets sucked into conversations about him online.

If you haven't been in the situation before, I think it's pretty unfair to just say "ignore it".

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by 0xBA5ED »

noobermin wrote: post #45
ryandrake wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you're relying on your YouTube channel for money, who cares what subscribers want? What's the worst they can do? Unsubscribe. No big deal--you're not trying to make money. I've put up a few YouTube videos, I've got a few GitHub repos, etc. I don't even care how many likes or views or stars they get. I almost never even go back to the pages. When I publish something on the web I do it because I already finished…

Which is the right attitude if you're not trying to make a living off of youtube. For those who are, they have to care about what the subscribers want.

True, but at this point it becomes your job and not something you're /just/ doing for fun. If you can't find a way to tolerate making content that pays the bills, then perhaps the entertainment business isn't right for you.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by raverbashing »

dogma1138 wrote: post #124

Who knew hard work can be hard, this reads less like an actual deep analysis and more like people complaining they need to actually put in work to get paid. >‘invisible’ labour such as interacting with fans is ‘a major contributor to occupational stress. In many cases it can contribute to PTSD’. Are you kidding me? they are not fans they are your "customers" or at least your "consumers" public and customer relations…

You are very uninformed at the potential for being bullied and pressure being a public figure on YT may entail.

It's the same with actors/actresses, I'd say it could be even worse.

Open Source developers suffer some of this as well, no wonder Linus has to "bang on the table" once in a while. It is to cut on the BS

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by pjc50 »

mikekchar wrote: post #96
stone-monkey wrote: post #92

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Why not write under a pseudonym? If you don't want people to associate you with every little detail of your writing, the easiest thing to do is to disassociate your writing identity with your offline identity.

That's a good idea :-). It never even occurred to me...

Although when you get successful the amount of effort devoted to breaking your pseudonym increases. We lost several UK police bloggers to this and there was a nasty campaign by the press against Brooke Magnanti.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by pjc50 »

throwaway9922 wrote: post #137
throwaway9922 wrote: post #135

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> this reads less like an actual deep analysis and more like people complaining they need to actually put in work to get paid. That is clearly not what they were saying. That is an incredibly callous way of dismissing someone else's problems. From the article: > Lees developed a thyroid problem, and began to experience more frequent and persistent stretches of depression. There is a well-established link between thyr…

Edit: Amy Hoy did not mention "training your brain to associate hard work with failure", it was this commenter: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5630618

Thanks for linking this, it's a fantastic insight.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by pjc50 »

ravenstine wrote: post #31

> Divisive content is the king of online media today, and YouTube heavily boosts anything that riles people up [...] I look upon this idea skeptically. In my experience, the content delivered to me is as divisive as the videos I've already watched. If someone is getting divisive content, that's probably the content that they want to watch. Is it really up to YouTube to determine if a person has been watching content…

I have a saved screenshot of when I was watching gaming videos (XCOM2) and all the recommendations were also XCOM2 videos .. and a live stream of UK far-right rabble-rouser Tommy Robinson.

I suspect (but of course can't prove without secret youtube data) that there's enough of a crossover between gaming and the far right that any gamer will eventually see far right videos, far more likely than they will be shown "far left" videos (these must exist, but I've no idea who they might be?)

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by projektir »

pdimitar wrote: post #127
menacingly wrote: post #37

This is an interesting story, definitely worth a click, but isn't it sort of also just the fundamental issues humans face in all pursuits that are based on interest? I feel like you'd get the same spirit of complaint from a disenchanted musician, actor, chef, or even entrepreneur. "It's a lot harder than I thought. The market's tastes are fickle, I've got to make stuff to please them instead of things that creatively…

Over the last several years I gradually changed from being very salty and grumpy -- "FFS, these goofy kids get to squeal on air and get rich and buy a house I won't likely have at 50, WTF is that!!!" -- to basically accepting how most of our current world's economy works and I moved to the milder attitude of "hey, if you can make it work then more power to you, and good job!". I think the only bad thing in this pictu…

But what is reality, for whom? For what amount of people? What of those who never hit this "reality" at all? They exist, and a comment like yours is mysteriously never addressed to them, and it's not clear where this personal development would occur or why.

I see this as a good thing. It makes people expect more, demand more, raise issues. Because the issue in the blog is worth raising. Otherwise, they'll just settle for what is. And the is has never been very good.

The cognitive dissonance was from assuming that the world was fair, but you make this mistake as well.

Reality is malleable and changes constantly, one day your core skill is learning how to throw a spear the next it's how to manage computers; it's all rather unreliable and it differs very strongly depending on where you ended up...

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by gammatrigono »

jsonne wrote: post #97

This article is really relatable. Personal story time. I recently had a mini hit on Reddit where I started a community that's about 2800 people who come to me for marketing tips every day. It's both exhilarating and terrifying. Having a community, making content about my passion, and being able to perform is really all I've ever wanted. On the other hand I'm insanely cognizant of losing it at any time. There is no br…

Are you being paid to run this community? nobody should be losing sleep over Reddit.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Post by pjc50 »

mikekchar wrote: post #89

As stupid as this is going to sound, I think about this quite a bit in terms of writing a blog. I've wanted to do it for a long time and in the past people have been very kind and supportive of my writing. However, when I think about the reality of what it takes to make a successful blog, I get very nervous about it. I mean, it's dumb because the chances of writing a successful blog is next to nil. And the way to exi…

I have something in common: I find it much easier to write comments, or stackoverflow answers, because I'm not writing into a blank page and I have something to engage with.

I've genuinely considered trying to automatically extract my top N HN comments (I have 36k karma), roughly categorise them, and turn them into a book with extra commentary and thematic linking. I'd call it "Silicon Valley on ten upvotes a day".

I've also considered trying to write a definitive long-form answer for all those people on electronics.stackexchange who get confused by electrons and current flow.

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