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YouTube stars heading for burnout

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Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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> Divisive content is the king of online media today, and YouTube heavily boosts anything that riles people up [...]

I look upon this idea skeptically. In my experience, the content delivered to me is as divisive as the videos I've already watched. If someone is getting divisive content, that's probably the content that they want to watch. Is it really up to YouTube to determine if a person has been watching content that's too divisive, like a bartender who cuts off a someone who's had too many drinks?

When I log out of my YouTube account or open YouTube in incognito mode, all I see are viral videos and nothing that's "divisive". For example, the YouTube homepage without being logged in shows prank videos, Rube Goldberg type fascination videos, educational videos, Mexican music, daytime TV crap, SNL skits, and pop music.

So basically, in order to get to the divisive stuff, you have to already be using search queries that will bring one to political commentators.

But then what should be done? If someone is watching a lot of videos by the far left, should the recommended videos proportionally include more videos by right wing commentators? Is this really what people want?

Sorry that this is tangental from the actual point of the article, but I've read of this idea multiple times before and it's always asserted as if it's a matter of fact, but I'm not sure I buy it.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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post #19

I respect people who have the ability to entertain thousands of viewers, I really do. At the same time I’m really happy that wasn’t even an option when I was young. I’m sure I would have spent even more time playing video games if esports, twitch and YouTube had been a thing in the 90ies. I know, I know, not everyone is alike, but at age 35 I’m really happy that my job involves serious adult challenges, and that my s…

> my success in life isn’t depending on thousands of teenagers pushing a like button In a certain sense, though, most serious adult business still boils down to people seeing an ad, installing an app, buying a product, attracting investors, or teenagers clicking a like button. Edit: The YouTubers who go on to do it at a more serious capacity will also learn valuable first-hand lessons in dealing with partnerships, sp…

>In a certain sense, though, most serious adult business still boils down to people seeing an ad, installing an app, buying a product, attracting investors, or teenagers clicking a like button.

I mean, yes, I'm part of the machine, and the machine does sell advertising. But I'm a little cog in a big machine, and there are a lot of other cogs between me and the teenagers and their like buttons.

A long time ago, I wrote a technical book. One of the weirdest things to me was just how much reading the amazon reviews hurt. Like, they were mostly positive, but the negative ones, even negative reviews that as a buyer I would dismiss as 'clearly nutso' really hurt in a deeply irrational way.

At my dayjob? not only is it someone else's job to worry about that sort of thing, the volume involved would make it almost impossible for me to consume the feedback in anything other than a statistically sampled sort of way, even if it was my job.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#33

I respect people who have the ability to entertain thousands of viewers, I really do. At the same time I’m really happy that wasn’t even an option when I was young. I’m sure I would have spent even more time playing video games if esports, twitch and YouTube had been a thing in the 90ies. I know, I know, not everyone is alike, but at age 35 I’m really happy that my job involves serious adult challenges, and that my s…

> but at age 35 I’m really happy that my job involves serious adult challenges

Highly doubt that if you are commenting on a social media platform. What's an "adult" challenge?

> and that my success in life isn’t depending on thousands of teenagers pushing a like button.

Sure it does. From journalist to software programmers and everyone in between.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#34

> Divisive content is the king of online media today, and YouTube heavily boosts anything that riles people up [...] I look upon this idea skeptically. In my experience, the content delivered to me is as divisive as the videos I've already watched. If someone is getting divisive content, that's probably the content that they want to watch. Is it really up to YouTube to determine if a person has been watching content…

I find that once Youtube thinks you want divisive content, it serves it up to you pretty regularly.

As an example, I have plenty of "X riles up SJWs" type videos and also their counterpart "X angers sexist Gamergaters" despite not watching these and trying to actively say "don't show me these things". Unfortunately, one bad click from Reddit and Youtube thinks I want this tripe.

It's not solely related to "divisive" content though - the same is true of content related to Fortnite, Buzzfeed, and anything else that mostly consists of clickbait content. Youtube is just optimising for engagement, regardless of how that engagement affects the viewer.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#35

> Divisive content is the king of online media today, and YouTube heavily boosts anything that riles people up [...] I look upon this idea skeptically. In my experience, the content delivered to me is as divisive as the videos I've already watched. If someone is getting divisive content, that's probably the content that they want to watch. Is it really up to YouTube to determine if a person has been watching content…

>I look upon this idea skeptically. In my experience, the content delivered to me is as divisive as the videos I've already watched. If someone is getting divisive content, that's probably the content that they want to watch.

Just a counterpoint, I think it depends largely on the subject matter. my 'disengage the brain' videos are mostly tool teardowns and slow-motion videos of milling machines, or reviews of '90s luxury cars.

If I let youtube pick the next video a few times in a row while I'm watching car videos, I end up in supercar land, (which is not very much fun for me, but not divisive or anything.)

If I let youtube pick the next video a few times while watching tool teardowns, I sometimes end up with more interesting tool talk, but I often get survivalist stuff, and sometimes 'sovereign citizen' stuff starts to creep in.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#36
I have an YouTube channel, mostly for personal stuff. I did some effort to record some videos about several subjects, none had more than a hundred viewers. Then, in a sudden, a very shaky and short video with a Mallet steam locomotive punctured the Algorithm Wall and had thousands of views per day... I was even making $20/mo off YouTube until the early 2018 changes took place.

And the fact is, divisive content is king these days. Nobody, humans or algorithms, are interested in balanced opinions these days.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#37
This is an interesting story, definitely worth a click, but isn't it sort of also just the fundamental issues humans face in all pursuits that are based on interest?

I feel like you'd get the same spirit of complaint from a disenchanted musician, actor, chef, or even entrepreneur.

"It's a lot harder than I thought. The market's tastes are fickle, I've got to make stuff to please them instead of things that creatively satisfy me. If I stop relentlessly competing I can't pay my bills"

I'm older than the average youtube star, but I don't begrudge their success or view them as trivial people like a lot of my peers. That said, perhaps it's the _initial_ grand slam success and money that is the aberration (like app store hits at their peak), and the "bad side" is simply a sort of market correction where you've got to do unenjoyable things roughly commensurate with the payoff.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#38
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In my experience the frustrating part about YouTube is when the crowd wants content that you're not interested in making. For instance, I've made a few videos about building clusters from Raspberry Pi's, which I did just for kicks and to have something to play around with. They get more attention than my (imo more interesting) videos about programming or various other electronics topics, to the point that it dwarfs m…

Unless you're relying on your YouTube channel for money, who cares what subscribers want? What's the worst they can do? Unsubscribe. No big deal--you're not trying to make money.

I've put up a few YouTube videos, I've got a few GitHub repos, etc. I don't even care how many likes or views or stars they get. I almost never even go back to the pages. When I publish something on the web I do it because I already finished it, and I think maybe someone else might like it or find it useful. But I'm not going to change what I like to do based on likes or stars. That sounds backwards.

I've never once in my life did something as a hobby and asked myself "How can I optimize for how many people will like/use this?"

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

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post #36

I have an YouTube channel, mostly for personal stuff. I did some effort to record some videos about several subjects, none had more than a hundred viewers. Then, in a sudden, a very shaky and short video with a Mallet steam locomotive punctured the Algorithm Wall and had thousands of views per day... I was even making $20/mo off YouTube until the early 2018 changes took place. And the fact is, divisive content is kin…

>these days.

Doubt they ever were.

Re: YouTube stars heading for burnout

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's interesting that YouTube has made no effective efforts to improve their quality. // You imply it, but it's worth noting that they have made efforts but failed/stopped. Google can't/won't fix it. I suspect as someone else mentioned they realised that fixing comment quality reduces "engagement"; like tabloid news.

> fixing comment quality reduces "engagement" I’ll admit to occasionally scrolling through the comments looking for the batshit crazy ones, if only because they tend to be funny and interesting in the totally unexpected way they managed to get offended about something.

It's like laughing at the badguys in pro wrestling
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