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Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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Post by perl4ever » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 12:23 AM UTC

api wrote: post #264

perl4ever wrote: post #259

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"The shadow braking thing really reveals how primitive "AI" actually is-- this is something a bumblebee would not do, and its brain consumes milliwatts of power." I'm not impressed with self-driving AI so far, but I think you should be fair if you're comparing it to bugs. Insects are notoriously not good at avoiding collisions on the highways.

I'm comparing path finding and other navigational and body maneuvering abilities within the context of their world and constraints. Insects are very good at navigating their space and other very complex behaviors that are at least as difficult as driving a car. I was comparing the two to illustrate how far behind biology we still are when it comes to AI. Our AIs consume hundreds or thousands of watts and are demonstr…

"Insects are very good at navigating their space and other very complex behaviors that are at least as difficult as driving a car."

And yet, they are commonly seen splattered over the front of cars. Which is failing at exactly the same problem driving AI needs to solve.

You seem to be dismissing this as not part of "their world", but if we're going to compare them at all, I think it is. Conversely, avoiding being eaten is not something driving AI needs to solve.

Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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Post by jonknee » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 12:47 AM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #207

jonknee wrote: post #172

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The more concerning part is that they're still losing a fortune while only building out the supposedly high margin top end models.

Tesla gross margin on an AWD Model 3 with Autopilot is ~$20,000. Twenty thousand dollars. And they are outselling BMW’s entire passenger car lineup. It cost them a pretty penny to get here but cash is literally pouring in for Tesla right now.

> It cost them a pretty penny to get here but cash is literally pouring in for Tesla right now.

And also pouring out, they are losing a massive amount of money every quarter.

Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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Post by antt » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 1:00 AM UTC

leesec wrote: post #181

antt wrote: post #145

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And most CEO positions don't involve you smoking a joint on air during those 120 hours either.

This is a hilarious non-issue that pulls on antiquated notions of drug usage. This whiskey he was sipping for 2 hours in that podcast was much more harmful then that single puff of legal weed he took, but nobody cares about that.

And if everything was going well we would be talking about how hip he is, but it isn't.

When you've said you will take your company private at $420 a share, then completely back track and admit you weren't and get investigated by the FTC you invite more scrutiny than usual.

#420 #YOLO #BLAZEIT is not a good way to run a company that has three months of funding left.

Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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Post by danieltillett » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 1:14 AM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #118

SeanBoocock wrote: post #113

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Not sure if that is better or worse for the CEO of a public company with a market cap well into the billions. Regardless it doesn’t inspire confidence in his leadership.

I have to agree with you on all counts. When I first heard that he did 100 hour weeks voluntarily, I was envious of his ability to put that many hours in. I’ve done that once and… vowed never again. Now I am of the opinion that it broke him and he was unaware of it, and that all of his goals will be better met if he halves his work week.

Having worked +100 hour weeks for years at a time in the past, i found that it has an insidious effect on your judgement. You think you are ok, but you slowly start to drift out of alignment with reality. Looking at Elon from a distance he appears to be acting the same, functional but with impaired judgement.

Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 2:07 AM UTC

cecja wrote: post #28

sophistication wrote: post #16

I'm not losing optimism because of this. Musk fits right into the current political & cultural trajectory and the Tesla brand is sleek & timeless. The media is framing Musk's flaws (Twitter insults, weed & booze) as a bad thing, but outside of the media, people do not care about such things nearly as much. It just requires a few years of optimization and the cars are going to be en par with established brands.

Talk about gaslighting yourself. If you are not recoginizing that something fishy is going on at tesla you are not reading the same articles as the rest of us.

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Post by dang » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 2:08 AM UTC

cecja wrote: post #243

wetKoala wrote: post #226

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That's not how you use the word " gaslighting " in a sentence. I don't think you know what the word means. By definition, it's not something you can do to yourself, so what you wrote is like saying someone stole their own car. Unless there are some strange mental gymnastics going on, it's not possible to steal your own property from yourself. Nor is it possible to maliciously conspire against your own healthy sanity…

You are just retarded. The guy which tells people with depression to snap out of it. If you think there is no way to manipulate yourself into a delusion you better read a bit more than the wikipedia article of the term you want to school people on the internet.

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Post by dang » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 2:09 AM UTC

wetKoala wrote: post #244

cecja wrote: post #243

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You are just retarded. The guy which tells people with depression to snap out of it. If you think there is no way to manipulate yourself into a delusion you better read a bit more than the wikipedia article of the term you want to school people on the internet.

Hey, wow, you still used the term incorrectly the first time. And continue to do so even now. Did I say it's not possible to do something like that? No. No, I didn't. I did not say that anything is prevented by anything. I'm saying you used a word incorrectly. What you just said you're trying to talk about? That word doesn't mean what you just said.

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Post by georgeecollins » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 2:14 AM UTC

chollida1 wrote: post #3

And their Chief People Officer, is not coming back from her leave. From the outside it looks like Telsa is about going to go into a tough winter like moment. They are almost losing by winning. They are at capacity in their Fremont factory but still not making a profit. They need to start designing and building out manufacturing facilities for their next car and the help bolster Model X manufacturing. Stop and think f…

I agree on all points except that the most worrying thing is the entry of Mercedes, BMW etc. First of all, GM and BMW have sunk a lot of money in electric cars that are on the market and being crushed by Tesla in sales. Second, and most importantly, car brands are incredibly valuable.

People said that the Prius would go away when other car makers started making hybrids. After years of competition, the Prius still dominates. Why? Because the economic reasons for owning a hybrid really aren't that compelling. The social signaling reasons are. So, if you want to say those things about yourself you own a Prius because everyone knows you are driving a hybrid at a glance. A Tesla makes a different-- but I would argue equally powerful-- statement to all who behold it. If Tesla goes into bankruptcy the brand and the cars will be revived.

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Post by wetKoala » Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 2:40 AM UTC

perl4ever wrote: post #268

wetKoala wrote: post #244

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Hey, wow, you still used the term incorrectly the first time. And continue to do so even now. Did I say it's not possible to do something like that? No. No, I didn't. I did not say that anything is prevented by anything. I'm saying you used a word incorrectly. What you just said you're trying to talk about? That word doesn't mean what you just said.

Being crazy subjectively seems like being gaslighted by everyone else. I think "gaslighting yourself" amounts to a figure of speech that means the same thing. While you may not think it's a technically correct usage, there are other similar expressions in English. I would say it's an example of an oxymoron.

Delusional. Being delusional.

A person is simply delusional, if they are deceiving themselves.

May as well start gangstalking myself. Hold on, let me stand outside my window with all my other selves. brb