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EU copyright reform: the facts

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Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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> I'm also wondering what the implications of this are for brexit We're well into "who knows?" territory, but what would definitely happen is the UK would lose any say over the EU rules. The UK isn't really large enough to be its own market for startups (unlike the EU and US), so we'd mostly end up using companies hosted in one or the other and obliged to follow their rules. (Safe Harbour is probably a more interesti…

If the EU continues down the regulatory path, the UK could become the startup capital of Europe if they market correctly

the UK is already the startup capital of Europe

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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How does anyone otherwise do work that is distributed via mass mechanical reproduction? Disney could operate private theatres that threw out and banned people with recording devices, but how could home distribution function. For popular work, we are back at the pre-copyright world of patronage. Popular appeal might lead certain rare individuals to monetary compensation in academia, but this, I would say, will be coun…

A few notes (not dismissing your post): - The prepayment model was quite successful in the past; authors like Arthur Conan Doyle, Dickens and Dostoevsky made a living from producing novels in serialized form[1]. This model fits well also with TV shows, podcasts, and potentially video games. - Plenty of content is already funded by volunteer donations and ads (although, personally, I abhor the latter more than copyrig…

The problem is our respective post are sort of coming at the problem from opposite ends. Though, I agree with you, for the most part. Mine is attempting (lazily, I perhaps have to admit) to formulate how a post-copyright world functions. And, again, I agree, for the most part, with what you point out. Fundraising has been more and more a useful model employed by many writers and artists, no doubt. But all of that is still backed by copyright. Even in Dickens and Dostoevsky's day. (Though, in Tsarist Russia, it was the printer and not the author who obtained copyright.). Dickens, however, (in typical author fashion of often going from feast to famine) had almost all of his works circulated in the United States (where he was extremely popular) outside of the control of copyright, as, at the time, and as most developing nations do, the United States (much as China had done with technology in the nineties) neglected, for the most part, protecting foreigns works in favor of 'building themselves up' quickly. This was (to draw in your point about live performances) helpful to Dickens after a fashion, in that, at one point, his speaking tours ere his primary means of income. (However, part of that can be attributed not just to his popularity as a writer, but his phenomenal skill as an orator, so more than anything else, he may represent the exception that allows certain individuals to rise so much within the sphere of social influence.) But, to me, it still remains an unanswered question as to what would happen if, say, writing a 'Game of Thrones' under such a model, where a studio would have access to the material with no restrictions. The only thing that might hinder it is that multiple such entities would have the same rights, and they would most likely not want to step on each others toes (only for the reason they would likely see it as dividing their potential audience and thereby dividing the result money stream), and contractual and wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreements might become common place between them in such circumstances. And given the fact of the enormous amount of capital required for such undertakings (it's unlikely something on the order of Marvel film would be generated solely by crowd-funding) it would be unlikely, I would think, for many upstart companies to produce such, thereby locking in the defacto 'gentlemen agreements'. But there is also the question of just how much social impart such media would have, without the angel of home distribution, something that is fundamental to replicating the modern myths-poetic frameworks of western societies. And in any regard a truly post-copyright world, would seem to have the possibility of reshaping both culture and society in ways that are not apparent or predictable in extrapolating from system that are still in essence backed by it. After all, even Creative Commons and Free Software exists wholly on the back of copyright.

In regards to contracts, I think we only need to look at history: the case comes to mind wether agents of Thomas Edison saw a screening of the film 'Voyage to the Moon' and bribed a theatre operator to get a copy of the film made, so it was Edison, showcasing it in his private theatre chains (he owned an enormous amount of patents in motion picture technology, which is why Hollywood is movie capital of the United States, to get beyond the legal reach of Edison in New York), thereby having extracted the commercial value of the film prior to the director managing to bring it to the United States. Still, this leaves out the entire possibility of home distribution (outside of the most egregious contracts and locked-down hardware (so far as I can see), which, looking at the way things are going, may be the case under the current system as well).

I will completely agree as it regards to live performance. But that is a very small segment of so-called creative work. And even then we are still left with the perennial problem of the lion's share of the resultant capital going not to the actual performers, to the investor class. But, then again, copyright or no, maybe we'll always have that as the touchstone of commonality no matter what social, political, or artist upheaval does or doesn't come to fruition.

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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> I'm also wondering what the implications of this are for brexit We're well into "who knows?" territory, but what would definitely happen is the UK would lose any say over the EU rules. The UK isn't really large enough to be its own market for startups (unlike the EU and US), so we'd mostly end up using companies hosted in one or the other and obliged to follow their rules. (Safe Harbour is probably a more interesti…

If the EU continues down the regulatory path, the UK could become the startup capital of Europe if they market correctly

Indeed, may be similar to VPNs back in the day, when the UK was the number one provider. Though I wouldn't place much trust in the current government, they're worse than most of the EU when it comes to Internet policing :(

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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If the EU continues down the regulatory path, the UK could become the startup capital of Europe if they market correctly

the UK is already the startup capital of Europe

*still. As it is, not for much longer

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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From the viewpoint of regulations on business: - GDPR (Facebook/Google) - Article 11 (Reddit) - Article 13 (Github) - Mandated EU Content on streaming providers (Netflix) - EU Internet sales tax (Amazon) The simple question begs: how many more regulations aimed at US companies are coming? At this rate, the more regulations are created at fighting US companies. The number of internet startups and business located in t…

Art 13 isn’t a EU vs US thing. It‘s a digital vs analog thing (or, more precisely, old-style copyright holders vs young content creators).

It's a carebear legislation aimed at protecting imbecile content creators who can't be bothered with at least trying to run it like a real business. Why not let people figure it out and deal with it on their own, ffs

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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That’s pure trolling: First off, the Article 13 in question was already rejected once by Parliament and is expected to be repealed against (but it doesn’t hurt to be cautious, good on Mozilla). > GDPR While not uncontroversial, GDPR is generally seen as a good thing by experts. > arresting people who train their dog to do a bellamy salute This didn’t happen. The man was arrested for hate speech, not for gestures his…

> First off, the Article 13 in question was already rejected once by Parliament and is expected to be repealed against (but it doesn’t hurt to be cautious, good on Mozilla). As they say, don't count your chickens before they're hatched

Rejected by a very close vote, must I say. That's ridiculous, imo

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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> France has literally made it illegal to collect data on police brutality and incarceration rates of minorities in France You’ll need to provide a good reference for that because this is completely wrong as far as I know (AI doesn’t mention it, for instance [1]). Again, don’t get me wrong: I deeply disagree with the way police acts and is organised in France. [1] https://www.amnesty.org/en/press-releases/2009/04/fra…

> You’ll need to provide a good reference for that because this is completely wrong as far as I know (AI doesn’t mention it, for instance [1]). Since 1978, it's been illegal in France to collect census information on race. This is done under the guise of providing "equality under the law". In practice, as pretty much any minority could predict, all it does is make it impossible to actually talk about the systemic dis…

Ethnic statistics are not totally forbidden, they're very strongly regulated. http://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2018/01/16/est-ce-que-les...

Yet if tomorrow these statistics were allowed and were to show (for example) that 50% of people in jail are Muslim, what would be the use of that number? The far left would use it as proof of discrimination and the far right that muslims are a danger to society.

Societies like the US where there's a "race" checkbox on forms and where ethnic statistics are legal, are far from being less racist or discriminatory...

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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Europe is a no-go area for any startup. Instead of building your product, you will spend all your time complying with thousands of GDPR-like laws, difficult tax regulations, different languages etc. and every country has also a lot of additional national laws (Hackerparagraf in germany for example). It's just not worth it.

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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Europe is a no-go area for any startup. Instead of building your product, you will spend all your time complying with thousands of GDPR-like laws, difficult tax regulations, different languages etc. and every country has also a lot of additional national laws (Hackerparagraf in germany for example). It's just not worth it.

It's not that bad... In practice startups don't have worry about these things before they grow large.

I've yet to be fined for not having a cookie popup on my blog :)

Re: EU copyright reform: the facts

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Thank you, I've now used this to send an email to my representatives.

Having called a few of them and spoken to them on the phone about this they are mostly pissed off about the cookie-cutter emails spamming them about this but quite happy to talk about it on the phone.

On the other hand, some of us are much better at typing than talking. And some might have a fit of social phobia at the mere thought of a phone call.

The templates might be tedious, but they are there for people who would otherwise post some random flame or rant. Pages encouraging phone calls have scripted templates on them too.

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