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EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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> The proposals will require that streaming services give over at least 30% of their on-demand catalogues to original productions made in each EU country where a service is provided (individual EU Member States could choose to set the content bar even higher, at 40%) 30% for each country seems really high to me. As usual for regulation, there will likely be high unintended consequences. While in the US and elsewhere…

Netflix is mostly only good for a handful of TV series outside the US. Sometimes it has movies worth watching, but it's rare. More usually, it has n-1 for the sequel du jour.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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You mean "The lives of others"? "Run Lola Run"? "Goodbye Lenin"? "Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo"? "Fack ju Göhte"? I know there are bad German movies. But with the biggest film studio in Europe being right next to Berlin, I think saying "there are no good German movies" it's a bit too much. The fact alone that there are decent German movies for children seems to me like a plus - I probably won't go see "Das schönste Mäd…

That is less than 10 movies and Wir kinder.. is old enough that my mother saw it in the cinema as a youngster. You might find a few more, but "Der Untergang" is on Netflix, not because they were required to, but because it is good. I fear for the same as a Dane, Danish movies are crap.

Danes made The Killing, though.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

#173
post #102

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Here's the problem: if you believe that what you watch have an impact on how you think, and you believe that the government should decide what you watch, then this democracy is less than ideal. Because the government then decides how masses vote. It's not a theoretical problem, it's a real issue in many countries, many people still watch TV to get their news and to decide who do they want to vote on. You heavily tax…

>* Here's the problem: if you believe that what you watch have an impact on how you think, and you believe that the government should decide what you watch, then this democracy is less than ideal. Because the government then decides how masses vote. It's not a theoretical problem, it's a real issue in many countries, many people still watch TV to get their news and to decide who they want to vote on.* Well, the gover…

The last part is interesting, you could make a point that some form of entertainment or junk food are a light form of drugs. And those are illegal.

Almost any substance can be abused though. Where would you draw the line? Should we ban (or put more tax) on candies? Soft drinks? Salt? Carbohydrates?*

Personally I probably draw the line quite far from you, I think many drugs could be legal and it wouldn't shatter society, maybe it could even improve it. But that's disagreement about the line.

My general point is that even if we would agree that people should watch more EU content, then forcing it on them is like when you have some complex algorithm (like in these coding contests), and some test cases fail. And instead of trying to rethink the algorithm, you add a few IFs, to make those test cases green. You can find examples of workarounds that would have the opposite effect (like netflix providing less content so that % matches) that people came up in minutes after reading about it. And in case of legislation it's much harder to get rid of those unnecessary IFs later on, than it is to add them. Anybody who's trying to innovate then has to navigate around them. Law is already so complex that everyday citizen can just hope he doesn't break any. He cannot be sure, because it gets created faster than you can read and understand it, even if you would make that your only hobby.

It's like with cookies in the browser, yes I don't like tracking. But having to click a banner that I accept cookies on every website is not helping anybody.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

#174
post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

It's anti-majoritarianism.

There's economies of scale to producing products addressed to the majority, and minorities suffer as a result. This doesn't just affect cultural products. Who wants the high street in their town to be filled with chain shops, identikit and no different from the next town over?

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #111

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> Protectionism is bad in all its forms. Yet it was the basis for economic growth of every developed economy. From the US, Germany, Japan to China. The only countries that have no protectionism and free markets are poor African ones that find themselves under the IMFs thumb. All of which have stagnating economies.

Can you back up your claims with any evidence?

It's from here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Things-They-Dont-About-Capitalism/d...

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean "The lives of others"? "Run Lola Run"? "Goodbye Lenin"? "Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo"? "Fack ju Göhte"? I know there are bad German movies. But with the biggest film studio in Europe being right next to Berlin, I think saying "there are no good German movies" it's a bit too much. The fact alone that there are decent German movies for children seems to me like a plus - I probably won't go see "Das schönste Mäd…

>Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo You had to reach back 37 years to fill out your list of... five movies. That's a bit telling, no?

I thought it was clear that those are the top movies I could think off the top of my head while on the bus. It was not intended to be a comprehensive list of the achievements of modern German cinema.

Sorry for not making that point clearer.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

"This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state "

No, totally not.

Promoting national and regional content is probably something that the populist anti-EU types would support anyhow.

I understand the EU has woes, and some rulings might cause problems ... but this ruling isn't an example of that.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

#178

Protectionism is bad in all its forms. Content providers want to capture the local market and should include local productions -- if that's what the subscribers want. Mandating a quota is backwards. If a state wants to sponsor work and make it available at low costs I'm sure content services would jump to provide it. All this does is either increase cost or reduce available selection in the affected markets. If the s…

"Protection is bad in all its forms" is an ideological statement of opinion, but you say it like it's a fact. It's not a fact.

Marketplaces are amoral. They incentivize supply to satisfy demand. There's nothing that ensures that demand morally good or bad, and the intermediation effect of monetary transactions can disguise morally problematic inputs to goods that satisfy demand, so it can encourage immoral production, like polluting industries or child labour.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

#179

Everyone here actively despises the local film industry. We do not need to inflict Dutch television on the world. Thats torture. Good shows should earn their ratings, not be force fed- if your culture is so great France and Germany you wouldn't need these subsidies. Netflix is not a public broadcaster.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it will pretty much never be cost-efficient to make a German language movie with a limited market compared to a English movie. No matter how great it is. It is even worse for smaller countries like Finland or Netherlands. There will NEVER be comparable ratings for a Dutch comedy show vs Modern Family with a global audience. So unless regulated, investments will shift to…

On the other hand, it is absolutely possible to create good content with moderate/low budgets. And European local audiences love and watch films or TV series in their local languages... when these are passably good.

But they don't like crap, and most of the local production is, unfortunately, just a shitty version of US stuff. The same bland generic ideas, but with worse acting, scripts, and production, on a lower budget.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

#180

Everyone here actively despises the local film industry. We do not need to inflict Dutch television on the world. Thats torture. Good shows should earn their ratings, not be force fed- if your culture is so great France and Germany you wouldn't need these subsidies. Netflix is not a public broadcaster.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it will pretty much never be cost-efficient to make a German language movie with a limited market compared to a English movie. No matter how great it is. It is even worse for smaller countries like Finland or Netherlands. There will NEVER be comparable ratings for a Dutch comedy show vs Modern Family with a global audience. So unless regulated, investments will shift to…

Movies might be harder, but I really liked "Dark" which is a Netflix made German show [0].

[0]: https://www.thelocal.de/20171122/netflix-premiers-first-ever...

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