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A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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Transportation cyclist here. This is a great article, but it only indirectly touches upon one of the most effective tools a cyclist could have: an air horn. I have an Air Zound air horn and I feel much less safe riding without it. I'll often give a few toots before approaching an intersection to increase the chance that I am seen. And it has probably saved me from some major crashes when I lay down the horn on someon…

If you use an air horn in any context on me there is going to be trouble, I hope you're prepared for that. If you assault someone you should expect a proportional response.

Please don't do this here.

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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This was eye opening (pun not intended) and make me a bit worried as a recreational cyclist - many of my clothes are dark and it seems worth investing in brighter ones. As a driver, I found that using BGE setting of the side mirrors (it's wider out, slightly overlapping with rearview mirror), coupled with keeping an eye on the road gives me a much better situational awareness, and prevents the need to turn my head in…

I don't remember if it was 1/3 or 2/3 (a lot anyways) of motorcycle accidents were caused by another car driver, and mostly due that they didn't see the motorcycle so a high-visibility jacket (yellow/orange with reflective stripes) is a must imho.

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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The air horn is such a 100+ year old technology. I hope an electronic proximity based system with a bigger vocabulary than "HONK!" appears in the next decade.

I don't think you're going to find an electric horn that can get as loud as an air horn.

I imagine you could get a sound played on the speakers in the car you're targeting.

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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On the left side of my handlebars I have a normal bike bell, good for pedestrians and fellow cyclists. On the right I have the air horn, good for drivers who can't hear the bell and emergency situations. I'd recommend having both a normal bell and air horn.

Yeah, bell is what I meant. Are there are any air horns that are controlled with something similar to a gear shifter (the lever thingy)?

I have not seen any air horns like that. I'd prefer something like that myself as it would make honking and braking simultaneously easier.

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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Expecting the general population to do a pre-trip more involved than "yup, my tires don't look flat" is a recipe for disappointment. It's also not efficient. Mechanical failure causes a negligible portion of road accidents and the overwhelming majority of those only affect the vehicle that had the problem.

Indeed. People expect cars to be appliances. Sadly they're not. I'm not talking about mechanical accidents such as a tyre popping though. I'm pointing out that the guy on a B road entered a curve, failed to account for the clues that grip was closing in to limit due to underinflated tires, looked into the approaching headlights which were blown up by its dirty windshield, blinding him, pushed the brakes which further…

> But hey, it's more efficient to lay out speed traps and reduce speed limits (both having proved to be inefficient long-term)

Are these measures ineffective or is reduced speed ineffective? (When the goal is to reduce fatal or serious accidents.)

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

#186

Transportation cyclist here. This is a great article, but it only indirectly touches upon one of the most effective tools a cyclist could have: an air horn. I have an Air Zound air horn and I feel much less safe riding without it. I'll often give a few toots before approaching an intersection to increase the chance that I am seen. And it has probably saved me from some major crashes when I lay down the horn on someon…

Cycle commuter (30km+ each way) here in Tokyo.

I find yelling effective, but this might just be of my location where music is played at a reasonable level. Don't need to move my hands to activate and easy to modulate from "passing through" to "I'm here, don't back into me!".

Another effective item is a 1,400 lumen lamp. Set to strobe as needed.

You know, I would pay for something that integrates a two stage horn (announce or loud) and push to strobe lamp; remotely switched by buttons in the handlebar wrap on the brifter. (think electronic shifting buttons and remote shifting buttons).

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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In the NHTSA pdf? They're roughly in the middle of the lane.

In the article, specifically the picture they appear in https://www.portsmouthctc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/... The argument "it's the cyclist fault she got killed for not wearing bright colours" is practically the same as "it's the woman's fault she got raped for wearing a short skirt" Maybe cyclists should be forced to wear high vis clothes so car drivers can drive around without awareness. Maybe schoolkids…

It looks to me like they're in a perfectly sensible position - just outside the door zone as they approach some parallel-parked cars. Am I missing something?

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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>many of my clothes are dark I've taken so many risks like this when I was using a bike: dark grey coat: check, black pants: check, dark grey backpack: check, black shoes: check. And usually my light (only in the back) is barely visible because of using old batteries and forgetting to change them.

Partly, the instinct is about feeling trashy, and having to replace worn-out old junk as it accumulates stains, scuff marks, battle damage. It feels wasteful to have to discard perfectly useful items, because they look worn out. We all know that black, dark items tend show the least amount of wear, and in the interest of efficient frugality, some of us gravitate toward that instinct. You look at a white t-shirt, and…

It was more about taste than being cheap about clothes, but I understand your perspective. But I still kept most of those clothes because they are still in good enough state.

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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post #112

Transportation cyclist here. This is a great article, but it only indirectly touches upon one of the most effective tools a cyclist could have: an air horn. I have an Air Zound air horn and I feel much less safe riding without it. I'll often give a few toots before approaching an intersection to increase the chance that I am seen. And it has probably saved me from some major crashes when I lay down the horn on someon…

I'm not a cyclist, but I'm a huge fan of having these on bikes. They've become more popular in my area and because of that you notice the bicycles earlier so you have a much smaller chance of accidentally hitting them because you don't see them. After I started seeing these, I've become quite baffled why more cyclists don't use them. Also I wish that road vehicles had radios so drivers and riders could communicate in…

> I'm not a cyclist, but I'm a huge fan of having these on bikes. They've become more popular in my area and because of that you notice the bicycles earlier so you have a much smaller chance of accidentally hitting them because you don't see them. After I started seeing these, I've become quite baffled why more cyclists don't use them.

I find the sentiment in your first paragraph to be baffling, though common. The problem isn't that horns (or high viz, helmets, or flashing lights) are a bad idea, or that you're wishing that more people would use them - I agree that more should use them. My issue is that the sentiment displaces responsibility on to the cyclist, from the person operating the dangerous machine. It's up to the cyclist to decide what gear works for them, and the burden of responsibility is firmly on the driver to not hit other people using the road.

It seems like every couple weeks, our local paper runs an article on another driver running in to a cyclist, and it nearly always frames the event as "cyclist hit by car" (notice we're already biased - "other-class-of-person hit by machine"), then proceeds to answer the "was the cyclist wearing high viz?". This creates a situation where it's more acceptable to drive carelessly, so long as the victim isn't following your locale's particular safety checklist.

Remember that there are a bunch of reasons people bike, and a lot of them are counter to some of these recommended safety products; people don't want to mess up their hair for work, have to wear a dark school uniform, can't afford lights, haven't considered any of this stuff, don't have a safe cycle lane to use...

Re: A Fighter Pilot’s Guide to Surviving on the Roads

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When people go blaring down my residential street at 10 PM at night I start to fantasize about stringing up a cargo net. I don't think that's working for them as a survival mechanism. (Context: I bicycle in Boston, so I know what the roads are like, although I'm sure it's somewhat different for motorcycles.)

On motorcycles you can be just a little bit more agressive, but selectively. There's enough power to assert high speeds, and take the lead with quick acceleration, but due to the amount of surface area in contact with the ground, motorcycles have lower agility than bicycles, based on the weight that gets thrown around. With most motorcycles weighing well over 200 pounds, depending on speeds, the usual turning radius…

Interesting to know about the turning radius issue. Bicycles can cut very sharp, and I suppose that's a function of both mass and velocity. (Possibly the lighter bicycle is easier to tilt over into a tight turn, driven down by the rider's weight, while the motorcycle has to tilt under its own weight.)

Ultimately, though, on a city street my gut says that motorcycles are in pretty much the same situation as bicycles, or better. Not sure how the stopping distance compares, but what a motorcycle lacks in being able to swerve, it should make up for in power. (Different benefits in different situations.) I believe part of why drivers don't see bicycles is that bicycles are usually ridden on the right side of the right lane. But I have never ridden a motorcycle, so my gut could well be wrong. :-)

(Highway, that's a different beast. I care less about how loud motorcycles are out there.)

So I guess here's a question: Should bicycles be equipped with constant noisemaking devices?

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