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In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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The oldest profession is prostitution. You can find references to it in ancient greek writings, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetaira

It’s way older than Ancient Greece dude. Google “monkey prostitution”: As soon as monkeys learn the concept of money the very first transaction they engage in is a prostitution transaction.

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#92
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And then Facebook starts offering your “daddy” account to your family in the “people you may know category” because it sees that you hang out with them in the same location

You can't have multiple Facebook accounts. That's an offense that gets you banned if they figure it out.

I don’t think they actually try too hard. I have two accounts which the most trivial of algorithms would have caught and haven’t been flagged >5 years in. (Always logging in from the same machine, no cookie clearing, in quick succession).

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#93

Whenever I think about sugar relationship, I always think of the movie 和你在一起 (Together) by Chen Kaige. One of the character was a woman dependent on sugar relationships and her motivations, fears and the relationships she had with those men was very well depicted.

Could you please provide a link? I can't seem to find it.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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post #72
post #71

The oldest profession is prostitution. You can find references to it in ancient greek writings, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetaira

They had other professions too. It does not proof it is the oldest one.

"Prostitution is the oldest profession" is a common saying, but not to be taken literally.

Should be read more a sardonic acknowledgement of how innately transactional sex can be, and how the line between 'transactional sex' and 'not transactional sex' can be very, very blurry.

Especially in horrific pre-historical survival scenarios. Hence the saying.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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I am an outsider to some extent but it's interesting observing a repeat of the so-called "feminist sex wars" here in Africa. One argument is that if the society was more equal economically across gendered lines, then there would be no need for this kind of sex work. This is often used as an argument against sex work in the west as well, but I'm guessing the level of wealth inequality, and not just across gendered lin…

Don't you think with economic equality, 80% of females will go to top 10% of males (for free) ? While now at least they pay.

Historically, it has been the opposite. Polygamy has usually coincided with extreme inequality.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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post #80
post #76

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That's not what we see in the Nordic countries .

If I remember correctly 23% of norwegian males under 40 are childless while only 13% of females are childless. And that is for having children; I'm sure in the "casual dating"/monopolising the most fertile/attractive years of women the top males have it much better.

I would guess that is an extremely low difference compared to historic norms. 8,000 years ago, women were 17 times as likely to have children[1], your example would be about 1.13 times as likely.

[1] https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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$3k-7k per month. There was one exception at $10k/month but that involved threesomes.

Have you ever thought of working remote and going to a cheaper country and going Genghis Khan style on whores ?

Your comments in this thread were borderline to start with but this is gross and nasty. Please don't do this on HN again.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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post #97

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Have you ever thought of working remote and going to a cheaper country and going Genghis Khan style on whores ?

Your comments in this thread were borderline to start with but this is gross and nasty. Please don't do this on HN again.

Come on man, what did you expect. For goldiggers to be good people or smth ? I just asked the dude a question, if he thought of optimizing this thing (we programmers no?).

Regarding my comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17901423 (this doesn't look offensive to me, or did you expect that men feel sorry for goldi)

But sometimes the world is nasty and we can't self-censor.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#99
post #72

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They had other professions too. It does not proof it is the oldest one.

"Prostitution is the oldest profession" is a common saying, but not to be taken literally. Should be read more a sardonic acknowledgement of how innately transactional sex can be, and how the line between 'transactional sex' and 'not transactional sex' can be very, very blurry. Especially in horrific pre-historical survival scenarios. Hence the saying.

I don't see where that expression brings in anything blurry. It just says that it is old thing. Transnational sex is kind of new concept, I dont think all cultures cared about difference in these terms. Marriage was transactional to large degree and ok, true love out of marriage was bad.

> Especially in horrific pre-historical survival scenarios. Hence the saying.

Prostitution and rape are not the same, really. Prostitution or sex for survival happened much more lately (Victorian era, any time with lack of resources, any time with lack of men, wars, world wars).

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#100
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Prostitution is the oldest profession" is a common saying, but not to be taken literally. Should be read more a sardonic acknowledgement of how innately transactional sex can be, and how the line between 'transactional sex' and 'not transactional sex' can be very, very blurry. Especially in horrific pre-historical survival scenarios. Hence the saying.

I don't see where that expression brings in anything blurry. It just says that it is old thing. Transnational sex is kind of new concept, I dont think all cultures cared about difference in these terms. Marriage was transactional to large degree and ok, true love out of marriage was bad. > Especially in horrific pre-historical survival scenarios. Hence the saying. Prostitution and rape are not the same, really. Prost…

My goodness, I certainly wasn't referring to rape (!). I was referring to transactional sex, and the vagueness of the definition of the phrase.

I don't really understand your comment. 'Transactional sex' can be both a new concept, and a thing that happened before the phrase was coined.

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