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Electric Vehicles’ Day Will Come, and It Might Come Suddenly

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Re: Electric Vehicles’ Day Will Come, and It Might Come Suddenly

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All major changes are always far off in the future until they suddenly aren't. It's kind of amazing how often we keep being surprised by this.

Yep. The iPhone was only released in 2007, in reality the first mass-market touch "smartphone". Now only 11 years later a friend was almost denied entry to the US because the border officials refused to believe she didn't have a smartphone she could use to show them her bank account. She asked to use wifi and use her laptop, but no, they demanded she use her (non-existent) smartphone. In only 11 years the product has…

Try telling someone you didn't bring your phone. Most people actually tend to get a bit anxious at the idea.

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The EU-wide 25km/h limit is extremely frustrating. It makes it so that you can't "take the lane" on the very common 30km/h roads without impeding traffic, and subjectively it's just the wrong speed. A huge number of cyclists on non-E-bikes easily bike at 25-30 km/h, whereas 30-35 km/h is way less common.

I support it for lanes with a mixture of walking and biking (which at least in Norway is almost all the bike lanes). There is a huge difference in outcome in colliding with pedestrians in 25 km/h vs 30 km/h. Non-e-bikers that hit 30 km/h necessarily have a certain amount of training to keep those speeds consistently, while e-bikes give people on their first bike trip the same speed.

Pedestrians don't have mirrors to see what's going in behind them. They don't typically stay to one side (especially when walking in groups), and they don't signal their intention to change direction. All of these make riding at higher speeds impracticable when among pedestrians. Not being able to ride at higher speeds makes (e-)bikes less useful from a transportation point of view.

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Although electricity is already everywhere, it’s still not going to be an easy transition. Globally, electricity production in 2012 was somewhere around 20 PWh/year, while transport used around 30 PWh/years. I’m optimistic about cheap solar — a one or two meter wide strip of PV next to every interstate, highway, motorway, Autobahn etc. should suffice — but it’s still not trivial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_e…

It takes, conservatively, 6.5kwh of power to refine 1 gal of gas. My Volt travels around 27 miles on that much electric power. Basically, if you stop refining gas you'll have pretty much enough power for all EVs.

This article disagrees with the factoid that it takes 6.5 kWh of electric power to refine a gallon of gas. It says it's a few tenths of a kWh of electric power.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/do-gasoline-based-cars-really-use-m...

Re: Electric Vehicles’ Day Will Come, and It Might Come Suddenly

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Yep. The iPhone was only released in 2007, in reality the first mass-market touch "smartphone". Now only 11 years later a friend was almost denied entry to the US because the border officials refused to believe she didn't have a smartphone she could use to show them her bank account. She asked to use wifi and use her laptop, but no, they demanded she use her (non-existent) smartphone. In only 11 years the product has…

Try telling someone you didn't bring your phone. Most people actually tend to get a bit anxious at the idea.

Oh, I don't have one. People confront me often - "what will you do in an emergency?!"

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It means I have to run the AC in summer and heat in winter for much of the day. The age of my child is relevant because older kids are in school during the day.

I'm in the East Bay, so don't really need AC and have gas heat so the EV plan works for me. What part of PG&E service area do you live in?

I'm on the peninsula. This summer has been very mild so we've gotten off easy, but I certainly can't count on that most years. Since you can't switch plans frequently, I didn't want to take the risk of switching.

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Lack of infrastructure didn't stop the adoption of internal combustion engine vehicles. The infrastructure was built as demand for it increased. Anyway we have most of the infrastructure we need for electric vehicles already, it's called the grid. All that is missing is the connection points. And for many people that is also not a problem because we can plug the car in at home. So electric vehicles have a massive adv…

There was a demand for the internal combustion engine because it was a massive step-change from horses. Electric vehicles represent a marginal gain for people who aren't primarily concerned about the environment. To be clear, I would like an electric vehicle, but I lack off-road parking so I don't see myself getting one for a decade.

I happen to have a number of gas station owners cousins. Their sentiment is, if there is demand for something, they’ll supply it. Charging stations, replaceable batteries, whatever. If there is profit to be made, they’ll do it.

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That's not the only thing. How about having to drop ~$8K every 6 years to buy all new batteries after the originals have severely degraded. I think battery tech has to improve quite a bit before EVs can truly overcome ICE vehicles in the mainstream.

C'mon, look at the data. That's not even remotely true. https://electrek.co/2018/07/17/tesla-model-s-holds-up-400000...

I did look at the data. I really wanted to buy a Nissan Leaf but it just didn't make sense with having to deal with battery replacement headaches. If I could afford buying a new car every 4-5 years like a different commenter in this thread it would be a different story.

How about c'mon and read your own article. Your "data" is an article centered around one specific EV that achieved 400K miles, which btw went through two battery pack replacements:

> A lot of people are probably interested to know how the battery pack held up, but unfortunately, it didn’t. It was replaced twice during the vehicle’s 400,000 miles.

Womp womp. Have fun with that when you're outside of Tesla's warranty.

The fleet-level data is interesting but not terribly relevant to compare the driving habits of an in-city luxury taxi service to the typical American, who will be making longer range trips. It's also skewed to be comparing the maintenance cost of luxury cars (Lincoln Town Car and Mercedes GLS) - the comparison should be a Nissan Leaf to a Honda Civic or an Accord.

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I'm in the East Bay, so don't really need AC and have gas heat so the EV plan works for me. What part of PG&E service area do you live in?

I'm on the peninsula. This summer has been very mild so we've gotten off easy, but I certainly can't count on that most years. Since you can't switch plans frequently, I didn't want to take the risk of switching.

How much use do you get out of the pure electric range on the C-MAX? I have a Chevy Spark EV and can make almost all trips I need. My longest is Oakland to San Jose and back. It has only 18kWh battery, but in warm weather we see 4.8 avg miles per kWh.

Perhaps solar would help solve your daytime rate problem? Or a car with more battery?

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I live in Norway, in a city of 180-200k people. Folks use public transportation or walking all the time. With children. For everyday food shopping. You don't need to shop only once a week - 2-3 times makes carrying your goods easier. You can dress for the weather. It isn't all that big of a deal. Children in strollers have warm stuff around them. They sell bikes with studded tires for use on snow. It was tiring when…

I said You mean the rich, temperate parts of Western Europe, most of which could fit inside Texas? Sure. You said I live in Norway, in a city of 180-200k people. Folks use public transportation or walking all the time. With children. For everyday food shopping. Is Norway not one of the richest WE countries? (Not temperate though, fair enough.) The country has a very high standard of living compared with other Europea…

They aren't poor, no, but it isn't temperate and that was the point I was getting at. Cold doesn't make things impossible by any means even if folks in the states act like it does, at least where I was.

I've never lived in NYC. I spent the first 35 years of life in Indiana, though, in towns smaller than this. The crime wasn't bad. One place even happened to have bus service. Indiana has about the same population as Norway over less land area, though admittedly it likely isn't as rich. Indianapolis is probably the only place comparable to Oslo as I can't remember how big Ft Wayne is.

Large cities aside, it doesn't take much to make a city walkable. Put sidewalks in, zone correctly, and put up areas to lock up bikes. If we can require places to have a minimum amount of parking spaces, what is so difficult to require a place to park bicycles? If you can zone for different things, wouldn't it be possible to zone for grocery stores near neighborhoods and give tax breaks to those chains instead of large box stores?

Concrete "fixing" does require some regional specialization, and I'm sure one solution isn't going to work for everywhere. Most cities aren't NYC, though.

Edit: I should also mention that part of the trend here is to make it more inconvenient to drive in town. They are actively taking away driving lanes to encourage walking and public transport. Most of the smaller cities in Indiana could do some of this as well.

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It would in all likelihood still be cheaper than gas, but even if it weren't, electric cars are just that much better all around. After you've driven one for a while, you realize what a smelly complicated Rube Goldberg mess the internal combustion engine is.

To each their own, but I work for a service provider tangential to the auto industry, so I've had the chance to drive a lot of different cars, and I'm pretty ambivalent about electric vs ICE cars. None of the engineering complexity of an ICE (and associated components) is particularly relevant to me as a car owner, and we've been building them for long enough that despite their complexity, they're extremely reliable.

Yes, to each his own. Even with reliability, I find several aspects of ICE undesirable: Slower start time, vibration, noise, inconsistent acceleration, the smell of gas at the pump and exhaust from the tailpipe, the pollution, the maintenance schedule, less cargo space, and the greater decrease in reliability with time.
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