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$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #89

Any Chromebook more than $400 right now is just there to absorb even more disposable income from the market, because they ship with nicer finishes and faster processors, but they are anemic on memory and storage, making them subpar for intense multitasking, or getting certain types of work done. The situations in which they excel can be reliably hit by Chromebooks around a $400 price point, and even cheaper Chromeboo…

> I suspect one reason for $600 devices, other than Google itself trying to reposition Chromebooks as more upmarket, is because $600 Windows laptops are still are a mess of preloaded bullshit put there by the vendor. Microsoft has tried various ways to fix this but it only tends to protect high-end models. In the current version of Windows 10 there's a feature called "fresh start" that makes it trivial to reset to a…

As well as the bloatware added deliberately by Microsoft that's already mentioned, this method can't touch spyware and bloatware that's automatically reinstalled by the BIOS after reinstalling Windows.

Unsurprisingly, the only company I could find evidence of actually having done this is Lenovo:

https://betanews.com/2015/08/13/lenovo-bios-tool-prevents-cl...

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #107
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested in Chromebooks for a different reason, the same reason that brings me to Pixel phones. I hate software that tracks me, but if I wipe out Android and I install a self compiled AOSP, it's a superb user experience for me. Will these more upmarket Chromebooks (which have x86 CPUs and acceptable RAM & storage) be OK to run any regular Linux distro? Right now, Xiaomi laptops are excellent cheap machines to r…

> Xiaomi laptops are excellent machines to run Linux on (thanks to having just Intel components) Which ones exactly? Do you have resources? The ones I've seen sport Nvidia GPUs [1] [2]. Which means no Wayland, and only proprietary drivers. Not "excellent" or "just Intel components" in my book. [1] https://www.banggood.com/XiaoMi-Gaming-Laptop-Intel-Core-I7-... [2] https://www.banggood.com/Xiaomi-Pro-Notebook-15_6-Inc…

Air 12 inch, Intel HD Graphics:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/xiaomi-air-12-review...

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #84

Any Chromebook more than $400 right now is just there to absorb even more disposable income from the market, because they ship with nicer finishes and faster processors, but they are anemic on memory and storage, making them subpar for intense multitasking, or getting certain types of work done. The situations in which they excel can be reliably hit by Chromebooks around a $400 price point, and even cheaper Chromeboo…

I'm interested in Chromebooks for a different reason, the same reason that brings me to Pixel phones. I hate software that tracks me, but if I wipe out Android and I install a self compiled AOSP, it's a superb user experience for me. Will these more upmarket Chromebooks (which have x86 CPUs and acceptable RAM & storage) be OK to run any regular Linux distro? Right now, Xiaomi laptops are excellent cheap machines to r…

> Will these more upmarket Chromebooks (which have x86 CPUs and acceptable RAM & storage) be OK to run any regular Linux distro?

Yes, with the caveat that full BIOS/UEFI support sometimes lags hardware releases by 6-12 months - out of the box most Chromebooks can only boot ChromeOS. Pretty much all the Chromebook firmware work to support 3rd-party OS' is done by one guy, see his page here: https://mrchromebox.tech

I run Arch on a cheap Chromebook for some tasks at work, I've generally been satisfied, and will probably buy another one eventually. I think if I was spending $500+, I'd just buy a Windows laptop and reformat it though - way more choices, and they tend to be upgradable.

It's also worth keeping in mind most Chromebooks must be disassembled to remove a firmware write-protect screw in order to flash new firmware. The one I have requires removing the battery/keyboard/etc - more than just popping off a small panel on the bottom.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #17

I never really understood why MSFT didn't start a clean slate rewrite of Windows about a decade ago. Imagine how much simpler and more reliable it could be, and you could run Windows 7 in an emulation layer if you had older apps you depended on. Even OS X has the feel that cloud services are kind of bolted on, whereas a new OS written in this era could feel more like ChromeOS in terms of reliability but still include…

They did, Windows RT

yet another OS without apps.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Don't forget that ChromeOS is an operating system (OS) that tracks everything you do. To use the OS to the full requires a Google account, so you aren't even anonymous while you use it. (As a reminder, your Google account = your name, your date of birth, your location, your gender and mobile phone number i.e. some of your most private and personal details.) We've seen Microsoft criticised, quite rightly, for introduc…

> if you think it's fine for ChromeOS to record everything you do in the OS, you equally think it's fine for Windows/Mac OS/Ubuntu to record everything you do too nit: It's reasonable to not fret about one additional way that proprietary OSs can abuse their users, but still not want to see surveillance culture normalized on a Free software distribution.

It's not reasonable, it's short sighted if you consider the long train of such "acceptable" abuses pursuing invariably the same end goal

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #4

Chromebooks have one fatal flaw: Microsoft Office on them sucks. You're stuck with side-loading in the Android edition, which is an app with a simplified UI and requiring always-online connection. All of this might be OK for a schoolkid, but for anyone else you might as well stick with a Windows laptop for real work, or an iPad for real consumption.

And Adobe Suite.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Any Chromebook more than $400 right now is just there to absorb even more disposable income from the market, because they ship with nicer finishes and faster processors, but they are anemic on memory and storage, making them subpar for intense multitasking, or getting certain types of work done. The situations in which they excel can be reliably hit by Chromebooks around a $400 price point, and even cheaper Chromeboo…

> $600 Windows laptops are still are a mess of preloaded bullshit put there by the vendor

Honestly this is one of the biggest things I liked about Apple computers since switching to them in 2007. They're so clean and pure compared to Windows which always comes with bloatware. Even the basic drivers you actually need for the computer to work usually come with some sort of bloatware awful UI programs that need to be installed for the hardware to work.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #79

A few years ago I picked up a $300 Chromebook, spent $50 to upgrade the SSD size (swapped the SSD card in it) and now I run GalliumOS on it (native xubuntu but optimized for Chromebooks). So for $350 you get a 1080p IPS panel laptop that weighs under 3 pounds and has an SD card, headphone jack and other goodies. It easily runs a bunch of Dockerized web apps without being slow. One of the best portable computing devic…

So for $350 you can buy much better laptop on ebay. Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROBOOK-650-G2-I7-6600U-8GB-256G...

This is a listing for a second-hand laptop, if the Chromebook had been bought second-hand too it would have probably cost significantly less than this.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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$100 Pre-2010 laptops running Lubuntu are an even more dangerous threat that more and more people are learning about

The first time I tried Lubuntu, was on an old, no-name brand laptop with Windows XP, that a friend gave me. Installed in a few minutes, and was pleasantly surprised how performant and usable it is, considering the limited hardware resources. I mostly just use it as a browser and book reader, but for giving new life to old laptops, I think Lubuntu works great. Not sure how much of a threat to the market it is though..…

I highly, highly, highly, highly agree!!!! So glad someone else out there likes it. It's like ubuntu with snapiness, of course.

Lubuntu is really like "teaching a man to fish". If you give them instructions on how to install it, then suddenly nobody will ever need a shiny new $1700 macbook to get started with basic programming and content rich web browsing.

Though personally I prefer text :)

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #79

A few years ago I picked up a $300 Chromebook, spent $50 to upgrade the SSD size (swapped the SSD card in it) and now I run GalliumOS on it (native xubuntu but optimized for Chromebooks). So for $350 you get a 1080p IPS panel laptop that weighs under 3 pounds and has an SD card, headphone jack and other goodies. It easily runs a bunch of Dockerized web apps without being slow. One of the best portable computing devic…

So for $350 you can buy much better laptop on ebay. Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROBOOK-650-G2-I7-6600U-8GB-256G...

> CORNER OF PALM REST SMASHED AND CRACKED, SPREADS TO BOTTOM COVER

I assume parent spoke about a new Chromebook, not a used (broken) one

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