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$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Alright, you like a challenge, so what's the purpose of a ChromeBook outside of a plastic cutlery-equivalent of a device destined to quickly end up in a landfill, contributing to unnecessary damage of environment? Do you feel good about working on an unsustainable disposable device, meditating how much of a chess master you are these days? Did you meet people that actually decided to move forward with this project an…

I've downvoted you due to the combative tone of your question.

And? I am giving a strong negative feedback so that author might incorporate it to their own biological reinforcement learning system. Being nice and agreeable doesn't do anyone favor, it just allows bad decisions to continue unobjected. Similarly as you use downvotes for disagreeing, with which I completely agree (to disagree).

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #89

Any Chromebook more than $400 right now is just there to absorb even more disposable income from the market, because they ship with nicer finishes and faster processors, but they are anemic on memory and storage, making them subpar for intense multitasking, or getting certain types of work done. The situations in which they excel can be reliably hit by Chromebooks around a $400 price point, and even cheaper Chromeboo…

> I suspect one reason for $600 devices, other than Google itself trying to reposition Chromebooks as more upmarket, is because $600 Windows laptops are still are a mess of preloaded bullshit put there by the vendor. Microsoft has tried various ways to fix this but it only tends to protect high-end models. In the current version of Windows 10 there's a feature called "fresh start" that makes it trivial to reset to a…

Unfortunately, this "vendor crap" is now part of the OS.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Any Chromebook more than $400 right now is just there to absorb even more disposable income from the market, because they ship with nicer finishes and faster processors, but they are anemic on memory and storage, making them subpar for intense multitasking, or getting certain types of work done. The situations in which they excel can be reliably hit by Chromebooks around a $400 price point, and even cheaper Chromeboo…

> On Chromebooks, Chrome's fantastic profile system is deliberately conflated with Chrome OS login sessions, which makes it harder for one user to maintain multiple independent browsing contexts than when using Chrome on other platforms. Power users on Windows can run multiple browsers, or use profile systems in browsers to keep separation, but on Chrome OS, you only get two de facto contexts (the white one and the b…

>"Move windows between people You can move windows between the Google Accounts that are signed in"

Wow. Did not know this. Thanks.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #84

Any Chromebook more than $400 right now is just there to absorb even more disposable income from the market, because they ship with nicer finishes and faster processors, but they are anemic on memory and storage, making them subpar for intense multitasking, or getting certain types of work done. The situations in which they excel can be reliably hit by Chromebooks around a $400 price point, and even cheaper Chromeboo…

I'm interested in Chromebooks for a different reason, the same reason that brings me to Pixel phones. I hate software that tracks me, but if I wipe out Android and I install a self compiled AOSP, it's a superb user experience for me. Will these more upmarket Chromebooks (which have x86 CPUs and acceptable RAM & storage) be OK to run any regular Linux distro? Right now, Xiaomi laptops are excellent cheap machines to r…

Which Xiaomi laptop is good with Linux Mint? Are they better than Lenovo?

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Seeing that in 2008 a midrange laptop came with 4GB of RAM and 10 years later, a low end laptop - like the Surface Go - still only has 4GB of RAM and has less storage than my 10 year old laptop.

I think that's more of a sign that most people don't need more than 4GB to 8GB of RAM, and that storage isn't about TB anymore but about speed (HDD vs SSD). SSDs are roughly 100x faster than HDDs, so they're superior despite offering less TB. Unless you're a gamer constantly downloading new 50GB games, most people are fine with ~300GB of storage. People want faster storage, as opposed to more storage.

I want both.

I want 2TB of space and the speed of an SSD, and I don't want to pay much.

Hybrid hard drives seemed like the perfect solution (a few GB of flash, combined with a 2TB drive).

Sadly, nobody managed to get decent performance on hybrid drives. As far as I'm aware, none really had a good grasp of the filesystem, so none could make decisions like 'these small dll files will likley need low latency reads, stick them in the flash, while these massive mp4 files will probably be streamed, leave them on the hd'.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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$100 Pre-2010 laptops running Lubuntu are an even more dangerous threat that more and more people are learning about

The first time I tried Lubuntu, was on an old, no-name brand laptop with Windows XP, that a friend gave me. Installed in a few minutes, and was pleasantly surprised how performant and usable it is, considering the limited hardware resources. I mostly just use it as a browser and book reader, but for giving new life to old laptops, I think Lubuntu works great. Not sure how much of a threat to the market it is though.. Hopefully it provides an open-source option for educational purposes and the "next billion" in the developing world.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suspect one reason for $600 devices, other than Google itself trying to reposition Chromebooks as more upmarket, is because $600 Windows laptops are still are a mess of preloaded bullshit put there by the vendor. Microsoft has tried various ways to fix this but it only tends to protect high-end models. In the current version of Windows 10 there's a feature called "fresh start" that makes it trivial to reset to a…

Unfortunately, this "vendor crap" is now part of the OS.

It's even worse than that. There's 2 types of crap now: vendor crap and Windows crap.

You can avoid vendor crap by reinstalling a fresh version of Windows from Microsoft, but you'll still get Microsoft crap (i.e., various apps from the Microsoft store pre-installed with links prominently displayed on the Start menu).

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #29

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Chrome OS is basically just a browser so anyone who has been on the internet is pretty comfortable on it.

Lubuntu is just as user friendly and comes pre-installed with all of the things one would expect, like a browser and media player and word processing software. There's an app store and browser add ons work well. The hardest thing for a casual user to learn would be "sudo apt-get install" and then guessing what the package name is that they might want to download, like vlcplayer or java

My roommate (about average technical literacy) tried getting a $100 laptop and putting Lubuntu on it, and ended up selling it because he couldn't figure out Linux and couldn't get any good games on it.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #87
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, you like a challenge, so what's the purpose of a ChromeBook outside of a plastic cutlery-equivalent of a device destined to quickly end up in a landfill, contributing to unnecessary damage of environment? Do you feel good about working on an unsustainable disposable device, meditating how much of a chess master you are these days? Did you meet people that actually decided to move forward with this project an…

Where's the data that chromebooks have shorter useful lives than other laptops in the same price class? Other laptops on average? It's possible that's the case, but not obvious to me.

How much of a lifetime could a device with soldered on 2GB of RAM and 32GB of eMMC storage have? How much repurposed could it be? Pricier Chromebooks with HiDPI screens and Core-M or better processors are still castrated in one way or the other comparing to general computing devices, yet approaching their price levels. What's the point for a developer? "It just works"? "It's just safe!" due to mandatory secure boot and BIOS reflashes? "Hey, look ma, a cheap computer, let's buy it as a gift!" for regular Joes?

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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post #88
post #51

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I hope you consider funding the improvement of Libre Office instead of trying to write your own spreadsheet app. There has been an incredible amount of work poured into it, starting from scratch doesn't make much sense imho.

Not denying the amount of work gone into LibreOffice, however I'm not sure if I agree with you on the approach (this will probably be an unpopular opinion). I find the entire ecosystem of LibreOffice a bit clunky, and it wouldn't surprise me if there is a lot of technical debt that would need to be understood before we could make any sort of contribution. Don't know why, but my gut says starting afresh would allow us…

The problem with starting from scratch for an Excel alternative is the classic quote : "Everyone needs 10% of the features Excel offers, but is a different 10%."
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