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Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by fencepost »

Shinkirou wrote: post #251
digi_owl wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. You do not have an account on each, you have a Google account that allows you to access all of google's services. And once it is closed, it is game over. Most people didn't notice this until G+ hit the net, and some kids used their gmail account (set up with parental knowledge and support) got closed because G+ found out they were under 13. Others have discovered that if their app on Google Play gets into troubl…

>It is a downright hamfisted system, and likely an outcome of Google's drive to automate all the tings... Google's drive... Had to read that twice, for a moment I got really confused about my cloud storage subscription!

Given the discussion, just make sure that all files you have saved in Google Drive are also available to you elsewhere lest Google get mad at you.

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Post by aptwebapps »

chatmasta wrote: post #276
digi_owl wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. You do not have an account on each, you have a Google account that allows you to access all of google's services. And once it is closed, it is game over. Most people didn't notice this until G+ hit the net, and some kids used their gmail account (set up with parental knowledge and support) got closed because G+ found out they were under 13. Others have discovered that if their app on Google Play gets into troubl…

I’m not sure this is entirely true across all services. I’m banned from AdWords (long story, I was slinging açaí berries around 2008 when I was 16...), but my account works for all other google services.

Were you buying ads or hosting them? They're a whole lot nicer to ad buyers.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by hfdgiutdryg »

cyphar wrote: post #265
hfdgiutdryg wrote: post #223

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Everyone wants free money. It's not free money. It's passive income from intellectual property. So even if you believe there's some moral right to prevent others from doing things with some "intellectual property" It's a legal right. Morality has nothing to do with it, aside from your own attempt to baselessly undermine opposing arguments. Actually, you're calling a failure to coerce others into to building legal reg…

> It's a legal right. We agree that the current laws are like this, but laws change all the time and laws are supposed to reflect society's ethics (in the US this is a joke nowadays -- they reflect the (lack of) ethics of large corporations). If the current laws are unfair, then having a discussion of how the laws should be (to inform a decision on whether such a reform should be lobbied for and put to into an actual…

We agree that the current laws are like this, but laws change all the time and laws are supposed to reflect society's ethics

In exactly the same way that property rights are enforced. We're barreling into a knowledge-based economy, yet HN wants to devalue knowledge and IP.

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Post by JetSpiegel »

Mindwipe wrote: post #124
mcny wrote: post #50

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The main argument I can accept for copy right is that it allows for people to pool their tiny amount of money to vote for the kind of music they like so it is more democratic than a patron-focused model where authors and musicians would need to cater to a few patrons' tastes. However, even though most of the money remains concentrated at the top, we no longer have this problem. It is fairly easy to support your favor…

> Imagine the innovation at Spotify if there were no copyright! None, because Spotify would go out of business overnight as people stole their source code.

Why? Icecast is open source and it does the same thing.

Spotify's value is not running many Icecast servers.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by JetSpiegel »

zaarn wrote: post #51

Easy and stupid solution: Make it illegal to falsely claim copyright on a piece of media and additionally make transparent and fair processes around Notice&Takedown required for all larger platforms. Youtube's DMCA mechanism is a black box, you get told you did some bad and you can say "no I didn't do bad" at which point the black box will do things and after a few days agree or not. If someone files a copyright clai…

Youtube takedowns are not DMCA notices. They created a paralell private system, it's not due process.

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Post by hegz »

mirimir wrote: post #288
hegz wrote: post #285

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Trolls tend to own nothing themselves so they can sling out legal threats all day and not get any in return.

No infrastructure at all? No people to doxx?

The org that they send from will legally have nothing but patents so they are safe from counter attacks.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by phobosdeimos »

Seems to me anyone can send a takedown request, or rather program a bot to do it. There seems to be no cost or due diligence involved.

People want to blame Google but they have no choice but to comply with current copyright laws. YT is investing a lot of money in monitoring its content. The internet isn't cool anymore.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by phobosdeimos »

digi_owl wrote: post #231
cninja wrote: post #135

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Takedown notices on Youtube are not handled under DCMA. DCMA has protections against false accusations.

The process Google has set up is an outcome of DCMA, because Youtube can only operate as long as they can claim DCMA "safe harbor" status.

Yeah I don't know what people expect. YT is huge now, they are being watched by governments and corporations alike. The days were you could find entire movies on YT or Al qaida recruitment videos is long gone. If Google steps out of line everyone is immediately at their throat.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by me8 »

Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

YouTube copyright enforcement is bizarre. Claims against you seem unfounded if your playing classical works and if anyone could claim copyright of your performance is you, as it's a new performance and arrangement makes that your copyright.

I have used commercial tracks on videos I've posted and YouTube has authorised saying the copyright owner allows me too in exchange for me accepting adverts on my video.

I know they don't check copyright much, as I once got locked out of an old YouTube account I had, forgot the password and didn't have access to the email I signed up with. But I wanted the only video on the channel taken down, so I did a copyright complaint against myself, YouTube accepted it!

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Post by Piskvorrr »

chimeracoder wrote: post #258
danaris wrote: post #84

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Nope. Mickey Mouse is not subject to copyright. As a character , he's subject to trademark, which allows him to remain under Disney's control for as long as they continue to protect the trademark. What would go into the public domain is Steamboat Willie, the original Mickey Mouse short.

> What would go into the public domain is Steamboat Willie, the original Mickey Mouse short. Steamboat Willie is likely to enter the public domain shortly, in fact.

As above: expect another attempt to push the copyright protection further, shortly.
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