Can Beethoven send takedown requests? • Hacker News Board

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by Shinkirou » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:24 PM UTC

digi_owl wrote: post #225

ocharles wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what the hell - getting blocked on YouTube would stop you reading your GMail? Did I really read that correctly?

Yep. You do not have an account on each, you have a Google account that allows you to access all of google's services. And once it is closed, it is game over. Most people didn't notice this until G+ hit the net, and some kids used their gmail account (set up with parental knowledge and support) got closed because G+ found out they were under 13. Others have discovered that if their app on Google Play gets into troubl…

>It is a downright hamfisted system, and likely an outcome of Google's drive to automate all the tings...

Google's drive... Had to read that twice, for a moment I got really confused about my cloud storage subscription!

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by matheusmoreira » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #107

dotancohen wrote: post #52

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Who was sending these notices? Sounds like perjury to me.

Welcome to the DMCA. It's as broken as copyright and causing quite serious stifling of young creators. It sometimes feels like it's used more for evil than for its legitimate purpose.

>It sometimes feels like it's used more for evil than for its legitimate purpose.

That's exactly what it is used for. It's a multibillion dollar industry that will always ask for more and more power to police their imaginary property. They even coerce other countries into adopting similar laws as part of trade agreements. I'm convinced that copyright infringement is moral and akin to civil disobedience.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by voicedYoda » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:36 PM UTC

Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

Would something like Media Goblin [1] work for you? It's easy to host, you can share the media how you see fit, and you control copyright, and they're are many ways to deploy to keep costs down.

I'm not saying this is easier than yt, but there are some trade offs worth making if you want to really have that level of control.

[1] https://mediagoblin.org/

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by Jerry2 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:36 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #163

Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

> I always found it interesting that under YT rules content creators have the "3 strikes and you're banned" rule hanging over their heads Does this include any linked Gmail accounts? Because that's heinous if so.

Any Gmail linked to your Google Account could be closed if they close any of your other services. If they ban your YT channel, your Google Account will be banned too.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by scatters » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:37 PM UTC

mehrdadn wrote: post #250

notriddle wrote: post #247

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Yeah. I am personally abandoning GMail specifically because I want to be able to upload stuff to YouTube. You know a company is mismanaging things when they're doing things that are against their own interests .

> I am personally abandoning GMail specifically because I want to be able to upload stuff to YouTube Can't you just make another account for videos?

Google will work out that the accounts are operated by the same person and forcibly link them together. They may then decide that you are abusively trying to evade their restrictions and permanently ban all of your accounts.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by mehrdadn » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:41 PM UTC

scatters wrote: post #255

mehrdadn wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am personally abandoning GMail specifically because I want to be able to upload stuff to YouTube Can't you just make another account for videos?

Google will work out that the accounts are operated by the same person and forcibly link them together. They may then decide that you are abusively trying to evade their restrictions and permanently ban all of your accounts.

Wait really? Any links on this? I don't recall hearing of this happening.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by User23 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:46 PM UTC

No, he's dead.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by chimeracoder » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 8:58 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #84

Piskvorrr wrote: post #32

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Because without Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (granting many extra years of copyright), Mickey Mouse would be public domain. Simple as that - the agenda is obvious. Expect similar "extension" push as 2024 approaches.

Nope. Mickey Mouse is not subject to copyright. As a character , he's subject to trademark, which allows him to remain under Disney's control for as long as they continue to protect the trademark. What would go into the public domain is Steamboat Willie, the original Mickey Mouse short.

> What would go into the public domain is Steamboat Willie, the original Mickey Mouse short.

Steamboat Willie is likely to enter the public domain shortly, in fact.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by coreyp_1 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 9:08 PM UTC

Question: Would filing a false DMCA request count as libel? After all, it is an accusation that you are using someone else's property without permission, in a written format.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by pervycreeper » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 9:18 PM UTC

Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

As a viewer, it's routine to see classical recordings on YouTube claimed as/attributed to/ categorized as the wrong thing. It doesn't help that differences in two different recordings of, say, the same piano piece can be so similar in some respects, so as to trip up automatic systems. "Widespread systematic failure" is probably the best way to describe the current state of affairs.

This issue needs special attention, and classical videos ought to be treated as a special case, IMHO.

Worth noting that the reverse is also possible, i.e. recordings being altered only slightly, being able to fool human listeners into hearing them as being different, see for instance the fraudulent recordings attributed to Joyce Hatto.